Floyd Rose maintainence

croninburg · Post by **croninburg** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:43 am

I'm going to put some heavier strings on my dime, will i need to make any adjustments to the bridge to stop it from pulling away from the body, and will i need to adjust the action?

SuicideNote · Post by **SuicideNote** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:50 am

Probably both but most likely not the action because the stings will be stiffer and won't flap as much. You'll need to crank those springs down and maybe add 1 or 2 depending on the gauge of your new strings. Make sure the bridge sits parrallel to the body.

If you have never done this before, you should take it to a professional so you don't wreck your axe.

croninburg · Post by **croninburg** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:26 pm

Thanks man

dan · Post by **dan** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:49 pm

this will end badly

hippy · Post by **hippy** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:51 pm

S · Post by S » Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:12 pm

licensed floyd rose are a pain in the piece of shit

warhead dime · Post by **warhead dime** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:54 pm

ive had to deal with 2 of those in my guitar career. both were a lot of frustration

Fantomas · Post by **Fantomas** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:04 pm

i fucking hate floyd rose

Muffin · Post by **Muffin** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:13 pm

Fantomas wrote:i fucking hate floyd rose

koth · Post by **koth** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:45 pm

Fantomas wrote:i fucking hate floyd rose

I'm sure he's heart broke about it.

croninburg · Post by **croninburg** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:38 am

S wrote:licensed floyd rose are a pain in the piece of shit

Are original units worth the money?

S · Post by S » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:45 am

if they work better than licensed floyd roses, yes

croninburg · Post by **croninburg** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:15 pm

All done

warhead dime · Post by **warhead dime** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:11 am

warhead dime wrote:ive had to deal with 2 of those in my guitar career. both were a lot of frustration

i meant licensed floyds.

original floyd roses are the shit

croninburg · Post by **croninburg** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:50 am

What's so different about original units? Are they just made better, hold tune better, what?

S · Post by S » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:34 pm

warhead dime · Post by **warhead dime** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:53 pm

croninburg wrote:What's so different about original units? Are they just made better, hold tune better, what?

correct. the licensed ones are made of shitty metal that is very weak and dents easy. the saddles arent very strong and often allow the string to slip out of the guitar.

CFH Eternal · Post by **CFH Eternal** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:16 am

warhead dime wrote:
croninburg wrote:What's so different about original units? Are they just made better, hold tune better, what?
correct. the licensed ones are made of shitty metal that is very weak and dents easy. the saddles arent very strong and often allow the string to slip out of the guitar.

I agree with that, but I have always felt the Schaller version of the FR was the best liscense FR you could get.

warhead dime · Post by **warhead dime** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:23 am

CFH Eternal wrote:
warhead dime wrote:
croninburg wrote:What's so different about original units? Are they just made better, hold tune better, what?
correct. the licensed ones are made of shitty metal that is very weak and dents easy. the saddles arent very strong and often allow the string to slip out of the guitar.
I agree with that, but I have always felt the Schaller version of the FR was the best liscense FR you could get.

yeah the schaller floyds and the kahler ones were great.

but the ones that are like "jackson licensed floyd rose" or of the company that made the guitar suck.

CFH Eternal · Post by **CFH Eternal** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:26 am

warhead dime wrote:
CFH Eternal wrote:
warhead dime wrote:
croninburg wrote:What's so different about original units? Are they just made better, hold tune better, what?
correct. the licensed ones are made of shitty metal that is very weak and dents easy. the saddles arent very strong and often allow the string to slip out of the guitar.
I agree with that, but I have always felt the Schaller version of the FR was the best liscense FR you could get.
yeah the schaller floyds and the kahler ones were great.

but the ones that are like "jackson licensed floyd rose" or of the company that made the guitar suck.

Yeah I don't know why we still sell the crap liscense FR's at where I work because no one evers buys them. Yeah anything Schaller goes quick, and it's funny how yet I like Kahler everyone I work with despises them.

warhead dime · Post by **warhead dime** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:28 am

ive never had any experience with them but from what ive heard theyre pretty top notch quality. and i believe that dime used the schaller floyds.

CFH Eternal · Post by **CFH Eternal** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:31 am

warhead dime wrote:ive never had any experience with them but from what ive heard theyre pretty top notch quality. and i believe that dime used the schaller floyds.

Yeah all of Dime's FR when he used Washburn were all Schaller. But I have to agree, those motherfuckers stay in tune, the next best thing to the original.

warhead dime · Post by **warhead dime** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:33 am

do you know if he used schallers on his old deans?

CFH Eternal · Post by **CFH Eternal** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:37 am

warhead dime wrote:do you know if he used schallers on his old deans?

Yeah supposedly, I wouldn't be a 100% sure since I got it from the guy at my work who had known Darrell personally for a long time. Yet, he's got the credibility though, he had a picture with him jamming back in '86. Anyway I have always heard Schaller actually made the original FR.

dead forever · Post by **dead forever** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:29 am

CFH Eternal wrote:
warhead dime wrote:do you know if he used schallers on his old deans?
Yeah supposedly, I wouldn't be a 100% sure since I got it from the guy at my work who had known Darrell personally for a long time. Yet, he's got the credibility though, he had a picture with him jamming back in '86. Anyway I have always heard Schaller actually made the original FR.

Im putting a schaller on my axe soon, apparently the knife edges are made out of hardened steel,and theyre better than original floyds

Gor-Gor · Post by **Gor-Gor** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:43 pm

CFH Eternal wrote:
warhead dime wrote:
CFH Eternal wrote:
warhead dime wrote:
croninburg wrote:What's so different about original units? Are they just made better, hold tune better, what?
correct. the licensed ones are made of shitty metal that is very weak and dents easy. the saddles arent very strong and often allow the string to slip out of the guitar.
I agree with that, but I have always felt the Schaller version of the FR was the best liscense FR you could get.
yeah the schaller floyds and the kahler ones were great.

but the ones that are like "jackson licensed floyd rose" or of the company that made the guitar suck.
Yeah I don't know why we still sell the crap liscense FR's at where I work because no one evers buys them. Yeah anything Schaller goes quick, and it's funny how yet I like Kahler everyone I work with despises them.

i played an 80s RR1 with a Kahler and it felt perfect, cause im used to playing a stop-tail, and it felt like a stop tail.

crveni · Post by **crveni** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:06 pm

Muffin wrote:
Fantomas wrote:i fucking hate floyd rose

YOu have a lot of pictures !!!

I thought of buying a lincesed gloy rose but here it is lik 160$

And it was a shit, and i didn't buy it. But i paid 163$(149$ + 14 shiping)
With help og my friend! I don't know where do you live but i think it isn't no problem for you to buy an orignal!

'Sblood · Post by **'Sblood** » Mon May 22, 2006 11:15 pm

BaptizedBurning · Post by **BaptizedBurning** » Tue May 23, 2006 11:52 pm

i have a floyd rose on my ltd and it keeps fucking up so i havn't even played the thing in months. the strings won't stop lifting away from the body and i have no idea how to fix it. when i tune it, it only lifts farther up and goes out of tune again.

'Sblood · Post by **'Sblood** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:51 am

post pics

dead forever · Post by **dead forever** » Wed May 24, 2006 5:11 am

BaptizedBurning wrote:i have a floyd rose on my ltd and it keeps fucking up so i havn't even played the thing in months. the strings won't stop lifting away from the body and i have no idea how to fix it. when i tune it, it only lifts farther up and goes out of tune again.

If its lifting up and not sitting level its because the string tension is higher than the spring tension. Im assuming your a novice, if not sorry for insulting your intelligence. Anyway see the big plastic cover at the back? Not the one covering the wiring, the biggers square one. Take that off. Inside should be your standard claw with 3 springs set up. Tighten the two screws that are on the left hand side. But only tighten them a few turns at a time, then check your floyd, it should be flattening out more. Keep doing this untill its parallell with your body, also like i said make sure you do it slowly. ESP liscenced floyds are notoriously bad, i replaced mine with a schaller

BaptizedBurning · Post by **BaptizedBurning** » Wed May 24, 2006 10:24 am

dead forever wrote:
BaptizedBurning wrote:i have a floyd rose on my ltd and it keeps fucking up so i havn't even played the thing in months. the strings won't stop lifting away from the body and i have no idea how to fix it. when i tune it, it only lifts farther up and goes out of tune again.
If its lifting up and not sitting level its because the string tension is higher than the spring tension. Im assuming your a novice, if not sorry for insulting your intelligence. Anyway see the big plastic cover at the back? Not the one covering the wiring, the biggers square one. Take that off. Inside should be your standard claw with 3 springs set up. Tighten the two screws that are on the left hand side. But only tighten them a few turns at a time, then check your floyd, it should be flattening out more. Keep doing this untill its parallell with your body, also like i said make sure you do it slowly. ESP liscenced floyds are notoriously bad, i replaced mine with a schaller

i've tried that before, tightened the screws as far as they can go. it still won't stay in tune for more than 5 seconds. i'm just gonna sell the damn thing.

abyssspecter · Post by **abyssspecter** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:09 pm

i have a question too. Recently ive started to notice that hen i pull up on my bar, it gets tighter, then pops, then goes on up. It doesnt damage anything, i dont think, but its a pain. anyway i can fix his, or am i just abusing it too much?

dead forever · Post by **dead forever** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:32 pm

BaptizedBurning wrote:
dead forever wrote:
BaptizedBurning wrote:i have a floyd rose on my ltd and it keeps fucking up so i havn't even played the thing in months. the strings won't stop lifting away from the body and i have no idea how to fix it. when i tune it, it only lifts farther up and goes out of tune again.
If its lifting up and not sitting level its because the string tension is higher than the spring tension. Im assuming your a novice, if not sorry for insulting your intelligence. Anyway see the big plastic cover at the back? Not the one covering the wiring, the biggers square one. Take that off. Inside should be your standard claw with 3 springs set up. Tighten the two screws that are on the left hand side. But only tighten them a few turns at a time, then check your floyd, it should be flattening out more. Keep doing this untill its parallell with your body, also like i said make sure you do it slowly. ESP liscenced floyds are notoriously bad, i replaced mine with a schaller
i've tried that before, tightened the screws as far as they can go. it still won't stay in tune for more than 5 seconds. i'm just gonna sell the damn thing.

If youve tightened them as far as they can go then there is NO WAY that your floyd does sit at least level, unless you use real heavy gage strings. For heavy gages add more springs.

dead forever · Post by **dead forever** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:34 pm

abyssspecter wrote:i have a question too. Recently ive started to notice that hen i pull up on my bar, it gets tighter, then pops, then goes on up. It doesnt damage anything, i dont think, but its a pain. anyway i can fix his, or am i just abusing it too much?

Pops? You mean the whole unit makes a popping noise? Check none of the unit is hanging over the wood and catching it, did you install the floyd yourself? If so you might need to sand the cavity down a bit so its less of a tight fit. My old trems saddle used to slip forward and catch the edge of the cavity when i used the floyd, just tighten the screw if thats whats happening so it dont slip loose.

abyssspecter · Post by **abyssspecter** » Wed May 24, 2006 1:23 pm

dead forever wrote:
abyssspecter wrote:i have a question too. Recently ive started to notice that hen i pull up on my bar, it gets tighter, then pops, then goes on up. It doesnt damage anything, i dont think, but its a pain. anyway i can fix his, or am i just abusing it too much?

Pops? You mean the whole unit makes a popping noise? Check none of the unit is hanging over the wood and catching it, did you install the floyd yourself? If so you might need to sand the cavity down a bit so its less of a tight fit. My old trems saddle used to slip forward and catch the edge of the cavity when i used the floyd, just tighten the screw if thats whats happening so it dont slip loose.

It doesnt make a noise, its more of a note-skip. No, i didnt install it myself, so, i assume its in right.

dead forever · Post by **dead forever** » Wed May 24, 2006 1:26 pm

You just said it pops. Make up your fucking mind or elaborate if you want me to help you.

BaptizedBurning · Post by **BaptizedBurning** » Thu May 25, 2006 12:03 am

dead forever wrote:
BaptizedBurning wrote:
dead forever wrote:
BaptizedBurning wrote:i have a floyd rose on my ltd and it keeps fucking up so i havn't even played the thing in months. the strings won't stop lifting away from the body and i have no idea how to fix it. when i tune it, it only lifts farther up and goes out of tune again.
If its lifting up and not sitting level its because the string tension is higher than the spring tension. Im assuming your a novice, if not sorry for insulting your intelligence. Anyway see the big plastic cover at the back? Not the one covering the wiring, the biggers square one. Take that off. Inside should be your standard claw with 3 springs set up. Tighten the two screws that are on the left hand side. But only tighten them a few turns at a time, then check your floyd, it should be flattening out more. Keep doing this untill its parallell with your body, also like i said make sure you do it slowly. ESP liscenced floyds are notoriously bad, i replaced mine with a schaller
i've tried that before, tightened the screws as far as they can go. it still won't stay in tune for more than 5 seconds. i'm just gonna sell the damn thing.
If youve tightened them as far as they can go then there is NO WAY that your floyd does sit at least level, unless you use real heavy gage strings. For heavy gages add more springs.

when the springs are fully tightened, the bridge floats only slightly above the body, maybe 1/8''. yet for some reason, when i try to tune, it will not stay in tune. i end up tightening the strings more and more and the bridge keeps floating farther up. eventually there becomes too much tension on the strings. these are only medium gauge strings and i have 3 springs for the tremolo. i'm done fucking with it, it's a cheap guitar and i have 2 others to play anyway. thanks for the help though.

dead forever · Post by **dead forever** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:28 am

Its probably just the cheap shit esp make their liscenced trem out of. Like i said try adding a spring (should cost you 10p or some shit) for the sake of it one day and get back to me, kind of intrigued to see why this is happening.

abyssspecter · Post by **abyssspecter** » Thu May 25, 2006 12:08 pm

dead forever wrote:You just said it pops. Make up your fucking mind or elaborate if you want me to help you.

okay. As i pull up, it tightens untill a certain point, then it jolts a little bit, then continues to climb as i pull up.