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metal soloing

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:26 pm
by dantera
ive been a blues guitarist my whole life and i want to start playing some more metal but i find myself doing blues soloing with distortion. how do i make it sound more metal.

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:52 pm
by dead forever
play it faster

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:19 pm
by hippy
Mess around with you ionian, dorian, phrygian, lyidan, mixolydian, aeolian(minor), locrain and some others.

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:37 pm
by dantera
yea, true. What scales does like Dime and the dude from shadow's fall use?

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:20 pm
by hippy
find what you like, don't sound like other people.

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:17 pm
by M.I.A
learn all your scales(all three forms), the modes, and get those fingers movin and you should be good. :tup:

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:06 am
by Sam
Take lessons from a teacher into metal.

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:06 pm
by DBS
dantera wrote:yea, true. What scales does like Dime and the dude from shadow's fall use?
Dime played whatever the fuck he wanted. He was influenced by a lot of blues stuff but he knew none of the modes. He just made up his own shit. A lot of the solos do sound dischordant when they're played slow. The guy from Shadows fall sucks and they are a faggot band. You can't go wrong with the minor scale. Use that. Now.

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:22 pm
by Dimejandro
i dont understand whaty you mean by making a solo sound more "metal". but what I can suggest is get to know your major and minor scales, and arpeggios, and fuck around with them in the key your playing in.

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:14 pm
by Ben
Use chromatics and "passing tones" (notes that are not in the scale you're soloing in). :tup:

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:43 pm
by Sheldon
Image

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:27 am
by wal
use your brain.

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:18 am
by Pantera420
DBS wrote:
dantera wrote:yea, true. What scales does like Dime and the dude from shadow's fall use?
The guy from Shadows fall sucks and they are a faggot band. You can't go wrong with the minor scale.
you're a fucking idiot.

anyways, if you're picking hand and technique aren't developed, then i suggest working on that(think tremelo and sweep picking)

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:31 pm
by hippy
Pantera420 wrote:
DBS wrote:
dantera wrote:yea, true. What scales does like Dime and the dude from shadow's fall use?
The guy from Shadows fall sucks and they are a faggot band. You can't go wrong with the minor scale.
you're a fucking genius.

anyways, if you're picking hand and technique aren't developed, then i suggest working on that(think tremelo and sweep picking)
i agree

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:35 pm
by DBS
The fact you like that faggot unoriginal band stops me from listenuing to anything you have to say. Your opinion is void.

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:26 pm
by Soloist
hippy wrote:Mess around with you ionian, dorian, phrygian, lyidan, mixolydian, aeolian(minor), locrain and some others.
you could have just said "mess around with modes" instead of trying to sound smart and type all that out :)

Metal soloing isn't always about speed. Learn the minor scale and harmonic minor scale, these 2 are the most common scales in metal. After you learn them, put on some songs or backing tracks and jam along..

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:27 pm
by Muffin
Sheldon wrote:Image
I was actually thinking about checking that book out....is it any good?

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:29 pm
by Soloist
Muffin wrote:
Sheldon wrote:Image
I was actually thinking about checking that book out....is it any good?
one of the best, if not, the best metal instruction book there is. Actually, in this guys case he should check out the other Stetina books, the heavy metal soloing ones (forgot what they were called). I used to have them and they give some creative ideas on how to solo in metal, good backing tracks too. If you're pretty advanced technique-wise, get vol. 2

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:54 pm
by M.I.A
DBS wrote:
dantera wrote:yea, true. What scales does like Dime and the dude from shadow's fall use?
Dime played whatever the fuck he wanted. He was influenced by a lot of blues stuff but he knew none of the modes. He just made up his own shit. A lot of the solos do sound dischordant when they're played slow. The guy from Shadows fall sucks and they are a faggot band. You can't go wrong with the minor scale. Use that. Now.
there are 3 different types of minor scales though, a lot of soloist especially rock/metal and jazz soloist use harmonic minor. But all of them are good just to mix it up :tup:

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:54 am
by Dimejandro
M.I.A wrote:
DBS wrote:
dantera wrote:yea, true. What scales does like Dime and the dude from shadow's fall use?
Dime played whatever the fuck he wanted. He was influenced by a lot of blues stuff but he knew none of the modes. He just made up his own shit. A lot of the solos do sound dischordant when they're played slow. The guy from Shadows fall sucks and they are a faggot band. You can't go wrong with the minor scale. Use that. Now.
there are 3 different types of minor scales though, a lot of soloist especially rock/metal and jazz soloist use harmonic minor. But all of them are good just to mix it up :tup:
meh i'd say they use the harmonic as much as they do the natural and melodic.

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:20 pm
by Soloist
melodic minor is rarely used.. in any genre

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:22 pm
by hippy
Soloist wrote:
hippy wrote:Mess around with you ionian, dorian, phrygian, lyidan, mixolydian, aeolian(minor), locrain and some others.
you could have just said "mess around with modes" instead of trying to sound smart and type all that out :)

Metal soloing isn't always about speed. Learn the minor scale and harmonic minor scale, these 2 are the most common scales in metal. After you learn them, put on some songs or backing tracks and jam along..
i prefer those modes actually. moron.

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:17 pm
by Soloist
hippy wrote:
Soloist wrote:
hippy wrote:Mess around with you ionian, dorian, phrygian, lyidan, mixolydian, aeolian(minor), locrain and some others.
you could have just said "mess around with modes" instead of trying to sound smart and type all that out :)

Metal soloing isn't always about speed. Learn the minor scale and harmonic minor scale, these 2 are the most common scales in metal. After you learn them, put on some songs or backing tracks and jam along..
i prefer those modes actually. moron.
those are the only modes. moron.

any other mode is a variation of those modes i.e dorian #2. moron.

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:19 pm
by hippy
HA!

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:21 am
by croninburg
Go faster.