Anybody experience with drilling out cracks in cymbals?
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Anybody experience with drilling out cracks in cymbals?
I found a crack in my hi-hat, I really really hate it when that happens. Anyway, I'm probably gonna let it be and hope for the best, but in the back of my head I'm considering drilling it out.
Has anybody ever done this? How great is the risk the drilling will only cause more cracks? Does it influence the sound much? (im expecting that if its done well the sound doesnt change at all). Did you use a 'normal' drill or do I need something with extra power?
If the crack is so deep you can't drill it out in one go, what do you do? Do you do a lot of drills next to each other (leaving edges of course, what do you with them, flatting it out with some other tool?)
Like I said, I'll probably just let it be and hope for the best, but if I see the thing is getting bigger I might just try it.
Has anybody ever done this? How great is the risk the drilling will only cause more cracks? Does it influence the sound much? (im expecting that if its done well the sound doesnt change at all). Did you use a 'normal' drill or do I need something with extra power?
If the crack is so deep you can't drill it out in one go, what do you do? Do you do a lot of drills next to each other (leaving edges of course, what do you with them, flatting it out with some other tool?)
Like I said, I'll probably just let it be and hope for the best, but if I see the thing is getting bigger I might just try it.
Where is the crack? If it's on the edge drilling won't help. Only thing you can do is reset your clutch so that edge faces away.
If it's in the surface area, drill a small hole (use a bit about the size of a matchstick) about 1/8" from either end of the crack. A regular drill will work fine. Drilling won't affect the sound any more than the crack does. If you let it go it will most likely get worse, and because you hit the hats a lot more than other cymbals it'll probably happen pretty fast.
If it's in the surface area, drill a small hole (use a bit about the size of a matchstick) about 1/8" from either end of the crack. A regular drill will work fine. Drilling won't affect the sound any more than the crack does. If you let it go it will most likely get worse, and because you hit the hats a lot more than other cymbals it'll probably happen pretty fast.
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Well that's not so bad, the circular type are a lot worse. It'll be a long time before you'll need a new one as long as you don't hit that part. I've heard of someone who cut out a broken edge with metal shears but I wouldn't want to try that myself.
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There's no reason hi-hat cymbals should ever crack unless A.) you're using them incorrectly or B.) they're entry-level no-name brand. Never even heard of this, actually. Do you use the pedal in your playing? How hard do you hit? If it's a recurring problem, experiment with different heights and angles. Thick crashes and splash cymbals have always been the only culprits in my experience. But then I turn around and use them as bullshit chinas anyway, so they still have a use.
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By the way, have no fear when drilling or cutting pieces from cymbals, just remember that you'll create a sound from that piece that no one else can duplicate. Fuck keeping cymbals in pristine condition.
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I cracked a top Paiste sound edge Rude series hi-hat cymbal. Shit happens. I must have been playing it incorrectly though(whatever that means.) Because your obviously some drum guro, and thats what your informative post says the problem must be.Cheyenne fucking Buffet wrote:There's no reason hi-hat cymbals should ever crack unless A.) you're using them incorrectly or B.) they're entry-level no-name brand. Never even heard of this, actually. Do you use the pedal in your playing? How hard do you hit? If it's a recurring problem, experiment with different heights and angles. Thick crashes and splash cymbals have always been the only culprits in my experience. But then I turn around and use them as bullshit chinas anyway, so they still have a use.
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I don't think my playing style is that wrong, this is the first time I've had a cracked cymbal in about 6 years I think.
The fucked thing is that my top hi-hat keeps spinning around, so making it face away only works to an extent. I'll don't think I can escape replacing it.
Once I'll do that I'll probably drill out the edge crack anyway just to see what happens, see with my own eyes that it has no use as I keep hearing.
The fucked thing is that my top hi-hat keeps spinning around, so making it face away only works to an extent. I'll don't think I can escape replacing it.
Once I'll do that I'll probably drill out the edge crack anyway just to see what happens, see with my own eyes that it has no use as I keep hearing.
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Stop being a and spend some money.cottonmouth wrote:I don't think my playing style is that wrong, this is the first time I've had a cracked cymbal in about 6 years I think.
The fucked thing is that my top hi-hat keeps spinning around, so making it face away only works to an extent. I'll don't think I can escape replacing it.
Once I'll do that I'll probably drill out the edge crack anyway just to see what happens, see with my own eyes that it has no use as I keep hearing.
I've never cracked a cymbal myself but can see from how some people set up their cymbals how it could happen, like setting them up so the stick hits them from a directly perpendicular angle. I bet if some of these guys used slow-motion video of what the cymbal looked like as it was struck, they'd change some things.
I can't imagine cracking a hi-hat, though. You must really be wailing on the thing.
I can't imagine cracking a hi-hat, though. You must really be wailing on the thing.
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Thats what happens when theres a crack in a cymbal for some strange reason of physics the crack always seems to come back the the place of impact. Drilling a hole will prolong the life but when the crack spreads it will often change direction or have a splintering effect when it returns. It is better than nothing but you will have to replace the cymbal at some later time. If you do care more for the cymbal than the sound, theres always duct tape.cottonmouth wrote:I don't think my playing style is that wrong, this is the first time I've had a cracked cymbal in about 6 years I think.
The fucked thing is that my top hi-hat keeps spinning around, so making it face away only works to an extent. I'll don't think I can escape replacing it.
Once I'll do that I'll probably drill out the edge crack anyway just to see what happens, see with my own eyes that it has no use as I keep hearing.
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or maybe it guru. Still wondering how you play a hi-hat wrong. You can get back to me later though.Cheyenne fucking Buffet wrote:Goro*drummer_goat wrote:Because your obviously some drum guro
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That would rule!Cheyenne fucking Buffet wrote:Goro*drummer_goat wrote:Because your obviously some drum guro
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a musician should never put durablity>sound in my opinion. I used to try to get the most durable heads and tune them to last and set my crash cymbals so I would never hit the edge with the shoulder of the stick. But reality struck and it just didn't make any sense to keep playing with that attitude. I also switched from zildjian to Paiste. Fuck zildjan they aren't hand hammered, they crack easily, and they sound like poop.Pfl?yd wrote:I've never cracked a cymbal myself but can see from how some people set up their cymbals how it could happen, like setting them up so the stick hits them from a directly perpendicular angle. I bet if some of these guys used slow-motion video of what the cymbal looked like as it was struck, they'd change some things.
I can't imagine cracking a hi-hat, though. You must really be wailing on the thing.
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What do you play, 80s arena rock? You don't need to make a choice between the two if you play with any semblance of dynamics.drummer_goat wrote:a musician should never put durablity>sound in my opinion.
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Personally, I've given up on acoustic drums altogether. With compression values the way they are on recordings nowadays, my electronic kit passes unnoticed as such on recordings and I have way more sounds (and a lot less issues) overall anyway.drummer_goat wrote:a musician should never put durablity>sound in my opinion. I used to try to get the most durable heads and tune them to last and set my crash cymbals so I would never hit the edge with the shoulder of the stick. But reality struck and it just didn't make any sense to keep playing with that attitude. I also switched from zildjian to Paiste. Fuck zildjan they aren't hand hammered, they crack easily, and they sound like poop.Pfl?yd wrote:I've never cracked a cymbal myself but can see from how some people set up their cymbals how it could happen, like setting them up so the stick hits them from a directly perpendicular angle. I bet if some of these guys used slow-motion video of what the cymbal looked like as it was struck, they'd change some things.
I can't imagine cracking a hi-hat, though. You must really be wailing on the thing.
Hooray for technology.
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Hit a nerve did I? The concept of tone being more important than durability has nothing to do with dynamics. Furthermore dynamics can be portrayed in different ways than just volume. Texture(the thickening and thinning) and feel also can be classified as dynamics in music. Dynamics in playing as you use the term depend on the style of music being played. A good drummer will focus on playing at a consistent volume when playing a style of music that is supposed to be "in your face" like rock, or metal, but the same drummer playing latin, jazz and some funk would use more "dynamic" range because the style of music calls for it. Regardless of use of dynamics, it is still my opinion that tone of a drum/cymbal is more important than the durability. Now why don't you go back to your proper hi-hat playing like a good kid.Cheyenne fucking Buffet wrote:What do you play, 80s arena rock? You don't need to make a choice between the two if you play with any semblance of dynamics.drummer_goat wrote:a musician should never put durablity>sound in my opinion.
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High end electronic kits are quite nice sounding. They just don't feel the same.Pfl?yd wrote:Personally, I've given up on acoustic drums altogether. With compression values the way they are on recordings nowadays, my electronic kit passes unnoticed as such on recordings and I have way more sounds (and a lot less issues) overall anyway.drummer_goat wrote:a musician should never put durablity>sound in my opinion. I used to try to get the most durable heads and tune them to last and set my crash cymbals so I would never hit the edge with the shoulder of the stick. But reality struck and it just didn't make any sense to keep playing with that attitude. I also switched from zildjian to Paiste. Fuck zildjan they aren't hand hammered, they crack easily, and they sound like poop.Pfl?yd wrote:I've never cracked a cymbal myself but can see from how some people set up their cymbals how it could happen, like setting them up so the stick hits them from a directly perpendicular angle. I bet if some of these guys used slow-motion video of what the cymbal looked like as it was struck, they'd change some things.
I can't imagine cracking a hi-hat, though. You must really be wailing on the thing.
Hooray for technology.
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It does when you crack hi-hats... especially those in a line renowned for their fucking durability, guy. Now I know it's difficult for you to surrender the last word when you've carved yourself a niche by way of username, but just try.drummer_goat wrote:The concept of tone being more important than durability has nothing to do with dynamics.
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I have an advantage because not being a drummer primarily I'm less concerned with "feel" as I am "function". When a drummer who has been playing drums non-stop for years sits down at my kit, he fucking hates it--especially the hard-hitter guys. For me, though, I've played electronic kits longer than acoustic ones and when I sit down at someone else's acoustic kit I feel the same way they do on mine. Everything bounces less and I have to lay into stuff to get sound out of it.drummer_goat wrote:High end electronic kits are quite nice sounding. They just don't feel the same.Pfl?yd wrote:Personally, I've given up on acoustic drums altogether. With compression values the way they are on recordings nowadays, my electronic kit passes unnoticed as such on recordings and I have way more sounds (and a lot less issues) overall anyway.drummer_goat wrote:a musician should never put durablity>sound in my opinion. I used to try to get the most durable heads and tune them to last and set my crash cymbals so I would never hit the edge with the shoulder of the stick. But reality struck and it just didn't make any sense to keep playing with that attitude. I also switched from zildjian to Paiste. Fuck zildjan they aren't hand hammered, they crack easily, and they sound like poop.Pfl?yd wrote:I've never cracked a cymbal myself but can see from how some people set up their cymbals how it could happen, like setting them up so the stick hits them from a directly perpendicular angle. I bet if some of these guys used slow-motion video of what the cymbal looked like as it was struck, they'd change some things.
I can't imagine cracking a hi-hat, though. You must really be wailing on the thing.
Hooray for technology.
I liken it to the difference between someone who learned to play guitar on an electric as opposed to an acoustic.
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Is this some dirty trick to make me look like one of those people who need to get the last word in?Cheyenne fucking Buffet wrote:My hi-hat technique's pretty good. How's yours?Now why don't you go back to your proper hi-hat playing like a good kid.
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Oh ok. Yeah, clutches are useful for a hi-hat. Thanks bro.
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