P bass vs J bass vs everything else.. Pfloyd, PA et al
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P bass vs J bass vs everything else.. Pfloyd, PA et al
I'm going to buy a bass guitar (budget around £200/$300) so that I can noodle around and write accompaniments to my own guitar stuff. I've tried to use the bass synths on logic but there are too many options and I spend all my time playing with sounds rather than writing anything.. My first instinct is to go with a fairly cheap Fender because they seem fairly ubiquitous. What are their relative pros and cons? I know that this would be really easy to research but it's more fun to ask the BB
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i had one of these along time ago and it served me well for the price
http://bass-guitars.musiciansfriend.com ... sku=515059
http://bass-guitars.musiciansfriend.com ... sku=515059
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I do like Ibanez guitars I have a Jet King 2 on my shopping list, they're supposed to be great value.slay wrote:i had one of these along time ago and it served me well for the price
http://bass-guitars.musiciansfriend.com ... sku=515059
yeah i think ibanez offers good stuff for fair prices.croninburg wrote:I do like Ibanez guitars I have a Jet King 2 on my shopping list, they're supposed to be great value.slay wrote:i had one of these along time ago and it served me well for the price
http://bass-guitars.musiciansfriend.com ... sku=515059
When i look for a bass all i need is two pickups a nice neck (not too thin)
THe bass i have now is a oscar schmidt made by washburn and it was around 300 after tax and im happy with it.
Considering the type of music I've heard you play (and only going off that, I'm sure you got lots of things going on) I'd go with a Jazz bass. P-Basses are pretty good for their one signature tone. If you like that tone, then no one does it better, but a Jazz is a bit more versatile, the neck is thinner (which is good if it's not your primary instrument) and you can't get a bad tone out of them.
If you're only going to have one bass, nothing beats a Jazz. Nothing.
If you're only going to have one bass, nothing beats a Jazz. Nothing.
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Ibanezes are good, but they tend to have a pretty modern tone and not much beyond that. If you're playing metal they're pretty awesome, but they tend to be too grindy for other genres, IMO.Motorhead wrote:Get an Ibanez ergodyne, best sound on a cheap bass I've ever found
Izzy: do you realize how broad "environmental science" is?
Izzy: it's like going to school for history
Izzy: well, more useful than that
Izzy: but an expert on the civil war won't know jackshit on uhh
Izzy: something that isnt the civil war
Izzy: it's like going to school for history
Izzy: well, more useful than that
Izzy: but an expert on the civil war won't know jackshit on uhh
Izzy: something that isnt the civil war
p bass necks are too thick and the tone is not good. i used to a fender squier pj bass and it was actually good. it was cheap and awesome.
pfloyd, heres a good question. is the flatwound string that makes a bass guitar tone sound deep, thick and dry? i like bass strings that feel and sound like a standup string bass which i played in orchestra in school. i do not like this bright, piano like tone for a bass guitar.
pfloyd, heres a good question. is the flatwound string that makes a bass guitar tone sound deep, thick and dry? i like bass strings that feel and sound like a standup string bass which i played in orchestra in school. i do not like this bright, piano like tone for a bass guitar.
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Yes, if you want to replicate an upright sound flatwounds are the way to go. In fact, I'd go as far as to say some flats AND a foam mute is the way to go for that sound (or just a piece of foam you can wedge under the strings right next to the bridge). The foam also makes the feel a little more like an upright because the string vibration is short. Of course, you can also palm mute the strings as you pluck them if you don't want it to sound muted and uprighty all the time, which is what I do if I have to switch back and forth. It's not as comfortable, however.Brandon wrote:p bass necks are too thick and the tone is not good. i used to a fender squier pj bass and it was actually good. it was cheap and awesome.
pfloyd, heres a good question. is the flatwound string that makes a bass guitar tone sound deep, thick and dry? i like bass strings that feel and sound like a standup string bass which i played in orchestra in school. i do not like this bright, piano like tone for a bass guitar.
Interestingly enough, the original P-basses were made to sound like an upright and older ones can get that tone and even had the foam mute built into the bridge-cover:
You'd be better with a jazz though with the pickup sound focused on the neck pickup with some flatwounds. If you can handle it, I'd even go so far as to get a fretless (with lines) to complete the sound since so much of the bright tone associated with modern tones comes from the fret noise. And on the reissues (or the knockoffs) you can get that nifty bridge cover on them too:
Izzy: do you realize how broad "environmental science" is?
Izzy: it's like going to school for history
Izzy: well, more useful than that
Izzy: but an expert on the civil war won't know jackshit on uhh
Izzy: something that isnt the civil war
Izzy: it's like going to school for history
Izzy: well, more useful than that
Izzy: but an expert on the civil war won't know jackshit on uhh
Izzy: something that isnt the civil war
The foam is only under the bridge cover. The middle cover is a hand rest.slay wrote:so there is foam in that chrome thing! i thought it was some sort of hand rest.
Izzy: do you realize how broad "environmental science" is?
Izzy: it's like going to school for history
Izzy: well, more useful than that
Izzy: but an expert on the civil war won't know jackshit on uhh
Izzy: something that isnt the civil war
Izzy: it's like going to school for history
Izzy: well, more useful than that
Izzy: but an expert on the civil war won't know jackshit on uhh
Izzy: something that isnt the civil war
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Take PFloyds advice, and Brandon, get a little more time playing before making blanket statements. P bass neck and string spacing is the norm, J bass necks/string spacing are actually a bit tight for most seasoned players.
I have obvious bias to Fender products, but if thats the direction you are heading, I'd like to suggest a maple fretboard. They are fast and smooth compared to most hardwood laminent (rosewood, ebony etc.) necks.
I have obvious bias to Fender products, but if thats the direction you are heading, I'd like to suggest a maple fretboard. They are fast and smooth compared to most hardwood laminent (rosewood, ebony etc.) necks.
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Fun fact: Steve Harris/Iron Maiden signature bass sound is a Fender P with flatwounds. That's all he has ever used. (resource: interview Bassplayer magazine)Brandon wrote:p bass necks are too thick and the tone is not good. i used to a fender squier pj bass and it was actually good. it was cheap and awesome.
pfloyd, heres a good question. is the flatwound string that makes a bass guitar tone sound deep, thick and dry? i like bass strings that feel and sound like a standup string bass which i played in orchestra in school. i do not like this bright, piano like tone for a bass guitar.
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And why exactly would I change my name to "Schmeagle"?[/b]
[b]"Bukkake Tsunami". My two negro cats are fighting, the one missing a leg is winning.[/b]
And why exactly would I change my name to "Schmeagle"?[/b]
[b]"Bukkake Tsunami". My two negro cats are fighting, the one missing a leg is winning.[/b]
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Thats actually a pretty sweet piece, are you getting it in the natural finish?croninburg wrote:I'm feeling this Squier '70s Jazz:
Cheap, looks cool and good reviews on Harmony Central. We'll see what happens with the new years sales..
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And why exactly would I change my name to "Schmeagle"?[/b]
[b]"Bukkake Tsunami". My two negro cats are fighting, the one missing a leg is winning.[/b]
And why exactly would I change my name to "Schmeagle"?[/b]
[b]"Bukkake Tsunami". My two negro cats are fighting, the one missing a leg is winning.[/b]
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Definitely, if I go with it - that's what caught my eye. The grain alignment will probably suck, but for the price you can't really complain. The frets are supposed to be huge so i will probably take some getting used to.. if I start getting good then this could open up a whole new world of GAS for me
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You will probably dig the neck A) rock hard maple (my preference) fast and smooth B) Jazz necks (at the nut) are the thinnest on the market.croninburg wrote:Definitely, if I go with it - that's what caught my eye. The grain alignment will probably suck, but for the price you can't really complain. The frets are supposed to be huge so i will probably take some getting used to.. if I start getting good then this could open up a whole new world of GAS for me
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And why exactly would I change my name to "Schmeagle"?[/b]
[b]"Bukkake Tsunami". My two negro cats are fighting, the one missing a leg is winning.[/b]
And why exactly would I change my name to "Schmeagle"?[/b]
[b]"Bukkake Tsunami". My two negro cats are fighting, the one missing a leg is winning.[/b]
I love the look of maple necks on Jazz's with the block inlays.
In related news, I bought a Bongo today!
Not the color I wanted but it's fairly new, free of blemishes, and was less than HALF the price of a brand new one. Yay for a shitty economy and people desperate for xmas money.
In related news, I bought a Bongo today!
Not the color I wanted but it's fairly new, free of blemishes, and was less than HALF the price of a brand new one. Yay for a shitty economy and people desperate for xmas money.
Izzy: do you realize how broad "environmental science" is?
Izzy: it's like going to school for history
Izzy: well, more useful than that
Izzy: but an expert on the civil war won't know jackshit on uhh
Izzy: something that isnt the civil war
Izzy: it's like going to school for history
Izzy: well, more useful than that
Izzy: but an expert on the civil war won't know jackshit on uhh
Izzy: something that isnt the civil war
No store, direct from the previous owner.slay wrote:i like that one 10 times more then the brighter blue one.
Where did you buy it? a local music store or on the net?
nice buy
Izzy: do you realize how broad "environmental science" is?
Izzy: it's like going to school for history
Izzy: well, more useful than that
Izzy: but an expert on the civil war won't know jackshit on uhh
Izzy: something that isnt the civil war
Izzy: it's like going to school for history
Izzy: well, more useful than that
Izzy: but an expert on the civil war won't know jackshit on uhh
Izzy: something that isnt the civil war
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Congrats bro!!! I'd like to say great looking bass, but you know as well as I do...that's one "butt ugly" bass. I do also know they sound and play incredible...the goods and the bads I guess.Pfl?yd wrote:I love the look of maple necks on Jazz's with the block inlays.
In related news, I bought a Bongo today!
Not the color I wanted but it's fairly new, free of blemishes, and was less than HALF the price of a brand new one. Yay for a shitty economy and people desperate for xmas money.
edit: your right! it looks like a toilet seat lid with a partial toilet seat attached!
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And why exactly would I change my name to "Schmeagle"?[/b]
[b]"Bukkake Tsunami". My two negro cats are fighting, the one missing a leg is winning.[/b]
And why exactly would I change my name to "Schmeagle"?[/b]
[b]"Bukkake Tsunami". My two negro cats are fighting, the one missing a leg is winning.[/b]
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Bite your tongue young man...why would you suppose they have been around since 1951?..Do you think it might be the gayness or the shit tone.hektik wrote:they're gay and have a shit tone
I like you Hektik. but you're way off base on this one.
[b]"Psycho Gangster"
And why exactly would I change my name to "Schmeagle"?[/b]
[b]"Bukkake Tsunami". My two negro cats are fighting, the one missing a leg is winning.[/b]
And why exactly would I change my name to "Schmeagle"?[/b]
[b]"Bukkake Tsunami". My two negro cats are fighting, the one missing a leg is winning.[/b]
PABassPlayer wrote:Bite your tongue young man...why would you suppose they have been around since 1951?..Do you think it might be the gayness or the shit tone.hektik wrote:they're gay and have a shit tone
I like you Hektik. but you're way off bass on this one.
Izzy: do you realize how broad "environmental science" is?
Izzy: it's like going to school for history
Izzy: well, more useful than that
Izzy: but an expert on the civil war won't know jackshit on uhh
Izzy: something that isnt the civil war
Izzy: it's like going to school for history
Izzy: well, more useful than that
Izzy: but an expert on the civil war won't know jackshit on uhh
Izzy: something that isnt the civil war
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I see what you did there.Pfl?yd wrote:PABassPlayer wrote:Bite your tongue young man...why would you suppose they have been around since 1951?..Do you think it might be the gayness or the shit tone.hektik wrote:they're gay and have a shit tone
I like you Hektik. but you're way off bass on this one.
[b]"Psycho Gangster"
And why exactly would I change my name to "Schmeagle"?[/b]
[b]"Bukkake Tsunami". My two negro cats are fighting, the one missing a leg is winning.[/b]
And why exactly would I change my name to "Schmeagle"?[/b]
[b]"Bukkake Tsunami". My two negro cats are fighting, the one missing a leg is winning.[/b]
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I agree with this and prefer P-basses because of the string spacing.PABassPlayer wrote:P bass neck and string spacing is the norm, J bass necks/string spacing are actually a bit tight for most seasoned players.
My opinion: get a cheap made-in-mexico fender and put new pickups in it (seymour duncan or something). This will upgrade it considerably and you'll be good to go.
Brandon, let's start a fucking Obituary cover band.
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