help with technique

DBS · Post by **DBS** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:15 am

i'm currently trying to develop my sweep picking / arpeggio / speed building so i decided to attempt 'concerto' by cacophony. some may say slightly ambitious of me but it's certainly helped me a great deal in not only playing arpeggios but getting a better understanding of them. as i am nowhere near the standards of jason becker or marty friedman, i've slowed the song down to 130bpm (its played at something like 184) and am trying to build up my speed. however, i think my playing technique may be hindering any progress because i simply cannot go any faster without bumming every single note. i understand these things take patience and with time speed will come, but i was hoping somebody here could take a look at this little clip i made of the section i'm learning at the moment and tell me what i can do to help build speed and clarity.

any advice would be much appreciated

here's the video.....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EG6Kz9Y4HAw

i am aware my guitar's slightly out of tune.

cottonmouth · Post by **cottonmouth** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:35 am

well you already have the metronome going so I don't have any advice to give ya, sorry

croninburg · Post by **croninburg** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:54 am

Maybe get some lessons? Sweep picking takes fucking ages to learn, I know a couple of exercises that I have probably been playing for a couple of years and I still suck.. I do play a telecaster though

You could try doing some sweeping exercises that are easier than the tune that youre trying to learn, 3 or 4 string stuff at first (assuming that concerto is a 6 string wankfest). Good luck

DBS · Post by **DBS** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:17 am

croninburg wrote:Maybe get some lessons? Sweep picking takes fucking ages to learn, I know a couple of exercises that I have probably been playing for a couple of years and I still suck.. I do play a telecaster though You could try doing some sweeping exercises that are easier than the tune that youre trying to learn, 3 or 4 string stuff at first (assuming that concerto is a 6 string wankfest). Good luck

thats why i picked it there's various stages of difficulty. i've got the three string stuff down to a reasonable standard and up to speed, but now its all over the fucking shop with 5-6 string sweeps coupled with alternate picking sections. i don't want to give up on it cos it's really helped my playing and it's like a level on a video game that i HAVE to beat. i was wondering though if my playing style is all wrong for sweep picking?

croninburg · Post by **croninburg** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:31 am

I'm in no position to give advice on technique.. I just listened to the video, it sounds pretty decent so if you stick at it you're sure to make progress. One practice thing that I found useful is repeating a pattern or progression, but moving up and down the neck chromatically, maybe if you concentrate on certain parts in this way it would help?

Gnarkiller · Post by **Gnarkiller** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:39 pm

mindless repatition... i think

DeathSion · Post by **DeathSion** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:19 am

well you need to do sweeps over and over..if you're trying to learn them/practice them..why would you throw everything else in? it's a bitch but you must do it...learn simple arpeggios..and do them over..and over..and over again. then you move onto bigger and better things. first get your fretting fingers to know the patterns and get the flowing over the motion smoothly..then learn to sweep across..(which really is extremely easy) then you'll need to learn how to mute with both hands when zipping through them. then learn how to not make all that extra little crappy noise in there. Have fun sitting in your room for the next year with no contact to the outside world. Also remember arpeggio is just a chord played in progression...so you can take chords..and choose your notes..and apply them into your arps..

Pfl?yd · Post by **Pfl?yd** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:16 am

Deathsion wins the thread.

Big Ben · Post by **Big Ben** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:44 pm

Nice shirt

RandomRussianDude · Post by **RandomRussianDude** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:15 pm

croninburg wrote:Sweep picking takes fucking ages to learn, I know a couple of exercises that I have probably been playing for a couple of years and I still suck..

2 years? goddamn.

it took me around 2 months to learn that. i had an obsession with them for a while. however i've been playing guitar for about 6 years before i got into sweeps.

croninburg · Post by **croninburg** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:24 pm

I never play them, apart from when I practice

CFH Eternal · Post by **CFH Eternal** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:50 pm

Pfl?yd wrote:Deathsion wins the thread.

Pfl?yd · Post by **Pfl?yd** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:59 pm

Try it on bass!

BassPhemy · Post by **BassPhemy** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:14 pm

I can do a few sweeping licks on bass. I use my thumb to sweep downwards and my index or middle finger to sweep upwards and then my fingers to pick any other notes if there is more than one on a single string.

Gnarkiller · Post by **Gnarkiller** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:06 pm

BassPhemy wrote:I can do a few sweeping licks on bass. I use my thumb to sweep downwards and my index or middle finger to sweep upwards and then my fingers to pick any other notes if there is more than one on a single string.

Dude if thats the case u might as well toss ur stupid old rigity bass and pick up a real intrument to play. the electric guitar

Pfl?yd · Post by **Pfl?yd** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:41 am

Gnarkiller wrote:
BassPhemy wrote:I can do a few sweeping licks on bass. I use my thumb to sweep downwards and my index or middle finger to sweep upwards and then my fingers to pick any other notes if there is more than one on a single string.

Dude if thats the case u might as well toss ur stupid old rigity bass and pick up a real intrument to play. the electric guitar

Why would he opt to go the easy route?

Pfl?yd · Post by **Pfl?yd** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:47 am

BassPhemy wrote:I can do a few sweeping licks on bass. I use my thumb to sweep downwards and my index or middle finger to sweep upwards and then my fingers to pick any other notes if there is more than one on a single string.

I've been catching myself doing more technical stuff on the bass lately. I've mostly been in a more "groove" phase but the nature of my newer material kind of requires it because I've been composing more shit on keyboard or on the computer and then turning around and having to learn how to actually play it later. The same goes for my bandmates. The guitarist doesn't play chords at all and sometimes I prefer to do unison lines with him but he plays some outlandish shit. It's kind of a fun challenge.

Hero-Of-The-Day · Post by **Hero-Of-The-Day** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:19 pm

Start trying d and c major sweeps those are very easy and great
to build up your speed. Then start doing like diminished sweeps.

MÃ–TLEYCRÃœE666 · Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:03 pm

Hero-Of-The-Day wrote:Start trying d and c major sweeps those are very easy and great
to build up your speed. Then start doing like diminished sweeps.

couldn't of said it better myself.

UNGODLIKE · Post by **UNGODLIKE** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:12 pm

DBS wrote:
any advice would be much appreciated

here's the video.....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EG6Kz9Y4HAw

i am aware my guitar's slightly out of tune.

god damn! can your highs be a little more ear piercing ? think you're clipping on the EQ there...

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