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This is seriously It's made by the same company that makes Reaktor, the soft synth program I use to make all my bleeps and bloops.

If you have an audio interface, I highly recommend checking this program out.

http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/ ... rig-4-pro/

How does it compare to Pod Farm or Amplitube?

I don't know, I've never used either. I use Native Instruments stuff pretty religiously, so when I wanted something guitar oriented I went with Guitar Rig first.

I've used it and it's great

could someone explain how it could be better than pod farm? not being a smart ass. does it have more amps...controls...pedals?

Yesterday I downloaded the demo version of Guitar Rig 4 Pro from the Native Instruments website (http://www.native-instruments.com) ... I tested it for about 90 minutes and I really liked it. I've been using Line 6 technology for several years (I have POD Farm and all the model packs), and while you can always argue about whether you prefer this amp model or that one, there's one feature of Guitar Rig 4 that's IMO nothing short of amazing and a truly unique feature:

Control Room

It's a simulation of different guitar cabinets and microphones which allows you to combine up to eight totally different microphones simultaneously. Of course you'll usually only use one or two, but the sound quality is really amazing. The NI engineers created control room based on an actual guitar recording room ... and they didn't just cram 8 microphones in there. These microphones were carefully positioned so that there are no phase discrepancies, and each microphone is in a "sweet spot" sound wise. If you've ever tried to record a real guitar amp & cabinet with a microphone, you know how difficult it can be ... position the microphone just a millimeter to the left, and it sounds completely different.

Taken from elsewhere...

But needless to say, Native Instruments does NOT fuck around. Everything I've used that was made by them has 10x the capabilities and "customizable content" when compared to the competition.

I've never used Pod Farm so I can't really speak against it per se, and knowing Line 6 it probably sounds great... but Guitar Rig 4 lets you customize and tweak your sound on a level that (from what I've read) Pod Farm and other programs really don't from what I understand.

Wait, there's a demo on that page?

Yeah, but it only runs for a half hour or so.

I have Guitar Rig 3 and I've had some trouble with it. I do like how it has a Dimebag setting. However, when I play my guitar, no sounds comes out until almost a second later, making it near impossible to play since I don't hear it long after its been played. Maybe it's my interface.

BaptizedBurning wrote:I have Guitar Rig 3 and I've had some trouble with it. I do like how it has a Dimebag setting. However, when I play my guitar, no sounds comes out until almost a second later, making it near impossible to play since I don't hear it long after its been played. Maybe it's my interface.

Latency, yep. Adjust your sample buffer.

NI shit is pretty cool. I have Absynth 3 and Battery 2; Battery 3 had some bugs that ultimately made it unusable for me and had to go back to 2 plus I can't believe they didn't include an "all snares/all bass" etc. matrix especially after 2 had to be updated with it.

That GR4 does look awesome though and I'd totally buy it if I hadn't just barely scratched the surface of what my XTL is capable of for recording.

I had the same problem with Battery 3. Very buggy.

Right now I'm using Reaktor, Guitar Rig, and Kontakt, all of which are

I love Guitar Rig, it sounds way more organic (i.e. turn the gains and overdrives up and you'll actually hear amp hiss and interference noise like the real thing) than Amplitube to me, plus I like the fact that you can choose Mesa, Fender, and Marshall-rendered amps, combine them, run single heads into multiple cabs, or run multiple heads into single cabs, and the variety of mics and cabs available is insane...

Plus, their effects are pretty realistic too, but I'd rather have stompbox simulation instead of rack like all the guitar sims I've used ...

The Doctor wrote:

BaptizedBurning wrote:I have Guitar Rig 3 and I've had some trouble with it. I do like how it has a Dimebag setting. However, when I play my guitar, no sounds comes out until almost a second later, making it near impossible to play since I don't hear it long after its been played. Maybe it's my interface.

Latency, yep. Adjust your sample buffer.

How do I adjust the sample buffer? I haven't messed with Guitar Rig very much yet since it wasn't working properly for me, so I'm not entirely familiar with its layout. Thanks.

yea for my death metal and doom bands i use sonar with guitar rig 4 and izotope ozone, which is a great mixer/mastering program.

BaptizedBurning wrote:

The Doctor wrote:

BaptizedBurning wrote:I have Guitar Rig 3 and I've had some trouble with it. I do like how it has a Dimebag setting. However, when I play my guitar, no sounds comes out until almost a second later, making it near impossible to play since I don't hear it long after its been played. Maybe it's my interface.

Latency, yep. Adjust your sample buffer.

How do I adjust the sample buffer? I haven't messed with Guitar Rig very much yet since it wasn't working properly for me, so I'm not entirely familiar with its layout. Thanks.

I assume you're using it as a VST instrument in a DAW? Go to "devices" or "device manager" or "ASIO" or whatever depending on your program and select the driver for your interface then open the control panel. You should see a three digit (with nearly a full second of delay it might be four digits) number with either a dropdown menu or a slider to increase/decrease the buffer, and a latency number displayed in milliseconds. Smaller buffer number = less latency. Start with 256 and see what happens.

If you're using it as a stand-alone then you should be able to adjust the buffer through audio setup > soundcard > select your interface, then you should get a slider that displays in milliseconds. Set it as low as possible without it popping/clicking/cutting in and out while you play.

Sky Black wrote:I assume you're using it as a VST instrument in a DAW?

If not, he should be. I don't know if it's exactly accurate, but I've found I have fewer latency issues across the board when I use most things as a VST rather than a stand alone.

Except Reaktor... but that's a monster...

I hate when people ask a question then never come back to tell us if it worked.

For sure. I'd like to hear what he came up with.

In the meantime, what DAW do you use?

Cubase SL3

How does it compare to Cubase LE? Nuendo 3? I abandoned those to use Ableton as my DAW but I'm definitely in need of something more powerful...

GTFO of MT

LE is the free one so no comparison, never tried Nuendo but SL3 is basically a little more stripped down than SX3 which is pretty much Neundo without the video editing shit. SL3 is stable with zero MIDI issues (Cubase has a bad rep for MIDI timing bugs) and I've checked out 4 and 5 with no good reason found to upgrade. I use the Alesis MultiMix 16 FW + POD XT live to record as well as MIDI via Midisport UNO for live drum triggers (bass and snare mainly) + Axiom 25. I don't know how to sequence properly so I do everything by hand, but for audio recording I'm very happy with this system, though in the future I want to get some better preamps.. RME most likely.

I'll check it out then, thanks.

And what do you mean you "Don't know how to sequence properly"?

I mean that I play all my shit note by note in real time with the Axiom and maybe go back and quantize the drums. I don't know how to use the sequencer.

It's just a regular piano roll, right?

I don't know, really all I do is tap out the MIDI notes with the Axiom then use them to fire off the samples in Battery, then overlay shit using Absynth. Or I'll use a trigger on an acoustic drumkit bass/snare drum, record everything else analog and create the dynamics by hand using the velocity controller in the drum editor.

Well I'm going to check out the program. Maybe I can offer some guidance on it, if you want it. I've been completely in the box sequencing stuff for a couple years now.

Cool, please do.

I got it working good, thanks. sorry for the late response.

Oh crap. After my Guitar Rig 3 has been open for about 15 minutes, it prompts me to either purchase or close. Does anybody have a keygen or anything to get me past this?

I have a keygen for 4.

I got the Mbox2 Factory Studio Bundle today. I'm getting an iMac for recording music next week so we'll see how it goes. I've never used Pro Tools but I've used almost every other DAW. Any tips? Am I going to get enough bass out of the monitors alone or should I get a sub?

Lord of This World wrote:I got the Mbox2 Factory Studio Bundle today. I'm getting an iMac for recording music next week so we'll see how it goes. I've never used Pro Tools but I've used almost every other DAW. Any tips? Am I going to get enough bass out of the monitors alone or should I get a sub?

I wouldn't know, but assuming that they're half decent reference monitors and not hi fi speakers, you should do fine as long as you listen to something for reference.

Obviously those aren't the greatest monitors but they should be fine for tracking and playback. I'd say wait until you try them to decide if you need a sub because, at least in my experience, the better the system you do your mixing on = the more remixes necessary. When you play the finished product it won't be on your DAW through monitors, it'll be through a CD/.mp3 player or car stereo or a computer speaker setup, and usually sounds a lot different. The bass could sound full and powerful on the monitors + sub, but boomy and muddy on a regular system, etc.

It's good practice to test mixes on shitty earbuds, in your car stereo, bounced to 96bit MP3 if you cant to hear what its going to sound like on myspace

I always make several alternate mixes and test them out on various systems. These monitors seem nice enough for what I need. It's definitely going to be an improvement over the basic computer speakers I've been using for years. It's crazy how inaccurate they are, but they're designed for just listening, so it makes sense.

I use a set of KRK RP5s and they're I've never felt the need for a sub. What sounds "reasonable" on the reference monitors tends to border on excessive on a regular set of computer speakers, headphones through an mp3 player, or even in a car.

It's kind of a trial and error thing if you aren't professionally trained, but it's really not hard to find the range where you can say "Ok, this is going to sound like ____ when it's played on anything other than reference monitors".

Sky Black wrote:Obviously those aren't the greatest monitors but they should be fine for tracking and playback. I'd say wait until you try them to decide if you need a sub because, at least in my experience, the better the system you do your mixing on = the more remixes necessary. When you play the finished product it won't be on your DAW through monitors, it'll be through a CD/.mp3 player or car stereo or a computer speaker setup, and usually sounds a lot different. The bass could sound full and powerful on the monitors + sub, but boomy and muddy on a regular system, etc.

yea thats why i usually mix without my whole monitor setup first. its pretty embarrassing mixing something that sounds great through nice speakers and then playing it in your friends car and hearing it sound like shit.