Panterachat

Villecore wrote:VLASIC GHERKIN HOMBRES

SLIME wrote:There is something about this album. You know,This is the only Pantera album that's almost rendered unlistenable by an overwhelming emphasis on groove riffing and horrible screaming from once talented frontman Phil Anselmo. It's not entirely repugnant, but for the most part, absolute garbage.

The majority of the album is groove riffing. I should hate every second of it, but try as I might, the catchiness of the groove is hard to deny. Sure it's not the most balls out killer sound ever, but there is a certain heaviness to it that's undeniable. Certain songs really do this well, "I'm Broken" and "5 Minutes Alone" for instance. There are some psuedo thrash moments, but they're brief and generally the precursor to some incredibly banal groove shit. "Strength Beyond Strength" shows promise by thrashing it up for a bit, but eventually degenerates into more mindless grooving. The songs I've mentioned, plus maybe two more, are decent enough that the poor riffs don't completely destroy them. The rest of the album is trash, nothing more or less. The cover of "Planet Caravan" is interesting, but that song wasn't that great to start with.

The only other redeeming aspect of the album besides being something mindless to headbang to is Dimebag Darrell's guitar solos, but a guitar solo rarely justifies a shitty song, unless you're the type that likes to listen to 3-4 minutes of terrible wannabe metal to hear a 20-30 second guitar shred fest. To each his own, but the highlight certainly isn't anybody else in the band. Rex and Vinnie have a solid rhythm section I get, but they only really add to the overwhelming groove infection that makes up the whole of the album. Phil Anselmo just plain sucks. He doesn't even sound aggressive anymore, just tired and shitty. His performance here was probably the inspiration for countless Hatebreed-like mallcore bands and that's even more unforgivable than having to listen to him on this album.

So to recap: there's "I'm Broken," a couple cool riffs in a few other songs, and some nice guitar solos. That constitutes maybe 8 minutes in music total, though the album is at least seven times that in length. So what's going on during all those other minutes? Not a damn thing. Not a damn thing worth listening to twice anyway. This is overrated if at all.

seriousheavymetaller wrote:

SLIME wrote:There is something about this album. You know,This is the only Pantera album that's almost rendered unlistenable by an overwhelming emphasis on groove riffing and horrible screaming from once talented frontman Phil Anselmo. It's not entirely repugnant, but for the most part, absolute garbage.

The majority of the album is groove riffing. I should hate every second of it, but try as I might, the catchiness of the groove is hard to deny. Sure it's not the most balls out killer sound ever, but there is a certain heaviness to it that's undeniable. Certain songs really do this well, "I'm Broken" and "5 Minutes Alone" for instance. There are some psuedo thrash moments, but they're brief and generally the precursor to some incredibly banal groove shit. "Strength Beyond Strength" shows promise by thrashing it up for a bit, but eventually degenerates into more mindless grooving. The songs I've mentioned, plus maybe two more, are decent enough that the poor riffs don't completely destroy them. The rest of the album is trash, nothing more or less. The cover of "Planet Caravan" is interesting, but that song wasn't that great to start with.

The only other redeeming aspect of the album besides being something mindless to headbang to is Dimebag Darrell's guitar solos, but a guitar solo rarely justifies a shitty song, unless you're the type that likes to listen to 3-4 minutes of terrible wannabe metal to hear a 20-30 second guitar shred fest. To each his own, but the highlight certainly isn't anybody else in the band. Rex and Vinnie have a solid rhythm section I get, but they only really add to the overwhelming groove infection that makes up the whole of the album. Phil Anselmo just plain sucks. He doesn't even sound aggressive anymore, just tired and shitty. His performance here was probably the inspiration for countless Hatebreed-like mallcore bands and that's even more unforgivable than having to listen to him on this album.

So to recap: there's "I'm Broken," a couple cool riffs in a few other songs, and some nice guitar solos. That constitutes maybe 8 minutes in music total, though the album is at least seven times that in length. So what's going on during all those other minutes? Not a damn thing. Not a damn thing worth listening to twice anyway. This is overrated if at all.

Are you the original author of that post lifted from Metal Archives?

Villecore wrote:

Villecore wrote:VLASIC GHERKIN HOMBRES

Sean's Inferno wrote:definitely my favourite, just suits my taste in music slightly more than the others (which are still amazing)

i even like the predominantly-unpopular "Good Friends and a Bottle of Pills"!

Bukkake Tsunami wrote:

Sean's Inferno wrote:definitely my favourite, just suits my taste in music slightly more than the others (which are still amazing)

i even like the predominantly-unpopular "Good Friends and a Bottle of Pills"!

SHUT THE FUCK UP

Lazyfoot wrote:GETCHA SQUEL !!!!

seriousheavymetaller wrote:

Bukkake Tsunami wrote:

Sean's Inferno wrote:definitely my favourite, just suits my taste in music slightly more than the others (which are still amazing)

i even like the predominantly-unpopular "Good Friends and a Bottle of Pills"!

SHUT THE FUCK UP

This outburst was a one off, Sean's Inferno (the first we've had in over two years) and not representive of the discourse you would usually find here on the board.

I can't say that Good Friends is one of my favourites, but hey- to each his (or her) own. Although, I think we can all agree on one thing, and I think Terry Lee Glaze wailed it best. Heavy Metal Rules!

P.S- Welcome to the forum, dude. Rock out!

SLIME wrote:The majority of the album is groove riffing.

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:I'm not a big Pantera fan by any means

The Fear wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:I'm not a big Pantera fan by any means

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

The Fear wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:I'm not a big Pantera fan by any means

The first Down album is better than anything Pantera ever did.

Tyson wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

The Fear wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:I'm not a big Pantera fan by any means

The first Down album is better than anything Pantera ever did.

Do you also agree with intelligent design?

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

Tyson wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

The Fear wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:I'm not a big Pantera fan by any means

The first Down album is better than anything Pantera ever did.

Do you also agree with intelligent design?

Are you kidding? I have to be the most known for being an atheist on the PBB.

Tyson wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

Tyson wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

The Fear wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:I'm not a big Pantera fan by any means

The first Down album is better than anything Pantera ever did.

Do you also agree with intelligent design?

Are you kidding? I have to be the most known for being an atheist on the PBB.

because that is such an exclusive club

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

Tyson wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

Tyson wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

The Fear wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:I'm not a big Pantera fan by any means

The first Down album is better than anything Pantera ever did.

Do you also agree with intelligent design?

Are you kidding? I have to be the most known for being an atheist on the PBB.

because that is such an exclusive club

I wasn't implying that it was, faggot.

Tyson wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

Tyson wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

Tyson wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

The Fear wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:I'm not a big Pantera fan by any means

The first Down album is better than anything Pantera ever did.

Do you also agree with intelligent design?

Are you kidding? I have to be the most known for being an atheist on the PBB.

because that is such an exclusive club

I wasn't implying that it was, faggot.

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:

The Fear wrote:

Cock Rocket Blast Off wrote:I'm not a big Pantera fan by any means

The first Viking Crown album is better than anything Pantera ever did.