Panterachat

Posted: **Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:19 am**

The bass player for my band is moving away in the next few weeks, and a buddy of mine has decided he is going to be the next bass player. The problem is that this buddy is not dedicated always makes excuses for why he cant practice the guitar, like he has to work so he cant find the time. Hes a shitty guitar player and always talk about how I should start a band with him, instead of the guys I play with. He never even tries to start his own band. Now that I need a bass player all of a sudden he is going to buy a bass rig so he can "jam" with us. We have a set list of originals and some covers polished and there is no way he will be able to keep up with us. I dont want to hurt his feelings but nobody in the band want to have to wait for someone to learn how to play when there are plenty of bass players around who can cut it. what do you say to someone like that?

Posted: **Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:26 am**

you can suck his cack

Posted: **Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:01 am**

Guitar players who try to be bass players =

Posted: **Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:49 am**

Start like this...."Ummm, you suck..."
I'm sure the words will come to you after that.

Posted: **Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:48 pm**

wal wrote:you can suck his cack

smoke this cack

Posted: **Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:47 pm**

Just tell him exactly what you told us. Don't sugarcoat it, man. He may not like it, but he can respect it.

Posted: **Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:48 pm**

Pfl?yd wrote:Guitar players who try to be bass players =

Posted: **Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:58 pm**

just lie and say you have someone else allready, ive done that alot and eventually its not a lie after all.

Posted: **Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:53 pm**

AoD wrote:just lie and say you have someone else allready, ive done that alot and eventually its not a lie after all.

whoa, you have feelings?

Posted: **Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:20 am**

Pfl?yd wrote:Guitar players who try to be bass players =

what about guitarists who learn bass the right way?

Posted: **Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:22 am**

drummer_goat wrote:The bass player for my band is moving away in the next few weeks, and a buddy of mine has decided he is going to be the next bass player. The problem is that this buddy is not dedicated always makes excuses for why he cant practice the guitar, like he has to work so he cant find the time. Hes a shitty guitar player and always talk about how I should start a band with him, instead of the guys I play with. He never even tries to start his own band. Now that I need a bass player all of a sudden he is going to buy a bass rig so he can "jam" with us. We have a set list of originals and some covers polished and there is no way he will be able to keep up with us. I dont want to hurt his feelings but nobody in the band want to have to wait for someone to learn how to play when there are plenty of bass players around who can cut it. what do you say to someone like that?

dude you have a goat on the drums. how high can your standard be?

Posted: **Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:41 am**

If he can't play the guitar properly... he most likely won't play the bass properly either... that or he'll have as much style as fanny packs.

Posted: **Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:20 am**

Pfl?yd wrote:Guitar players who try to be bass players =

heeeeeeeeeeeeey

Posted: **Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:14 am**

Lord of This World wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Guitar players who try to be bass players =
what about guitarists who learn bass the right way?

I'm talking about the guys who suck at a guitar and pick up bass because they think it'll be easier. Newsflash, if you suck at guitar you're going to doubly suck at bass. You have more functions to juggle.

Posted: **Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:36 pm**

hell yeah man i fully agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: **Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:06 am**

How do you "play bass properly"?

I play guitar, but played bass in a band. It probably sucked....

Posted: **Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:08 am**

AoD wrote:just lie and say you have someone else allready, ive done that alot and eventually its not a lie after all.

This is what I was thinking

Thanks all for the advice!

Posted: **Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:47 am**

EvilisthenewGood wrote:How do you "play bass properly"?

I play guitar, but played bass in a band. It probably sucked....

Did you play metal? If so, it probably doesn't matter anyway.

Posted: **Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:49 pm**

EvilisthenewGood wrote:How do you "play bass properly"?

I play guitar, but played bass in a band. It probably sucked....

Just because both instruments are guitars doesn't mean they should be approached the same way. The interplay between the bass and the guitar is a big part of how music sounds.

In James Brown-style funk, for example, the bassist is more focused on what the drummer is doing while the guitar plays riffs in the key the bass player is jamming in. Modern rock (rock that is on the radio now) on the other hand, treats bass as support for the guitar part, and is almost always an afterthought. Every shitty kid on the radio does nothing but play the root of each chord. In that style of music the bass is just there to make everything rumble.

But like Pfly?d said, if you were playing metal it probably doesn't matter because you were most likely just doubling the guitar riffs and metal (especially extreme metal) has almost no dynamics and is just banging away at your instrument. You probably rocked cock.

Posted: **Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:07 pm**

Lord of This World wrote:
EvilisthenewGood wrote:How do you "play bass properly"?

I play guitar, but played bass in a band. It probably sucked....
Just because both instruments are guitars doesn't mean they should be approached the same way. The interplay between the bass and the guitar is a big part of how music sounds.

In James Brown-style funk, for example, the bassist is more focused on what the drummer is doing while the guitar plays riffs in the key the bass player is jamming in. Modern rock (rock that is on the radio now) on the other hand, treats bass as support for the guitar part, and is almost always an afterthought. Every shitty kid on the radio does nothing but play the root of each chord. In that style of music the bass is just there to make everything rumble.

But like Pfly?d said, if you were playing metal it probably doesn't matter because you were most likely just doubling the guitar riffs and metal (especially extreme metal) has almost no dynamics and is just banging away at your instrument. You probably rocked cock.

Funk is fun music for bassists. Same with reggae. No unison riffs and you're making the asses move. The guitar is just doing spikes of 7ths and 6ths on the upbeats.

Posted: **Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:33 pm**

Pfl?yd wrote:
Lord of This World wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Guitar players who try to be bass players =
what about guitarists who learn bass the right way?
I'm talking about the guys who suck at a guitar and pick up bass because they think it'll be easier. Newsflash, if you suck at guitar you're going to doubly suck at bass. You have more functions to juggle.

i play both of em proficiently. it's like goin' from bad mitten to tenis ball. get the fuck off your anti-metal high chair.

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:30 am**

dude in this situation or any similar one, just be honest. bullshitting him is disrespectful to your bandmates and your friend.

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:41 am**

UNGODLIKE wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
Lord of This World wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Guitar players who try to be bass players =
what about guitarists who learn bass the right way?
I'm talking about the guys who suck at a guitar and pick up bass because they think it'll be easier. Newsflash, if you suck at guitar you're going to doubly suck at bass. You have more functions to juggle.
i play both of em proficiently. it's like goin' from bad mitten to tenis ball. get the fuck off your anti-metal high chair.

Unless you are playing music like Atheist, metal bass playing is root note unison riffs. Call it anti-metal until you are blue in the face; facts are facts.

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:25 am**

Pfl?yd wrote:
UNGODLIKE wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
Lord of This World wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Guitar players who try to be bass players =
what about guitarists who learn bass the right way?
I'm talking about the guys who suck at a guitar and pick up bass because they think it'll be easier. Newsflash, if you suck at guitar you're going to doubly suck at bass. You have more functions to juggle.
i play both of em proficiently. it's like goin' from bad mitten to tenis ball. get the fuck off your anti-metal high chair.
Unless you are playing music like Atheist, metal bass playing is root note unison riffs. Call it anti-metal until you are blue in the face; facts are facts.

as a guitarist, i could say that u are one bold and biased bassist!

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:45 am**

link him to this thread in an email

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:16 pm**

UNGODLIKE wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
UNGODLIKE wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
Lord of This World wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Guitar players who try to be bass players =
what about guitarists who learn bass the right way?
I'm talking about the guys who suck at a guitar and pick up bass because they think it'll be easier. Newsflash, if you suck at guitar you're going to doubly suck at bass. You have more functions to juggle.
i play both of em proficiently. it's like goin' from bad mitten to tenis ball. get the fuck off your anti-metal high chair.
Unless you are playing music like Atheist, metal bass playing is root note unison riffs. Call it anti-metal until you are blue in the face; facts are facts.
as a guitarist, i could say that u are one bold and biased bassist!

As a guitarist you have no room to say anything about any topic ever.

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:29 pm**

trendkiller wrote:link him to this thread in an email

wow thats a though I just might have to do that!

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:29 pm**

Pfl?yd wrote:
UNGODLIKE wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
Lord of This World wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Guitar players who try to be bass players =
what about guitarists who learn bass the right way?
I'm talking about the guys who suck at a guitar and pick up bass because they think it'll be easier. Newsflash, if you suck at guitar you're going to doubly suck at bass. You have more functions to juggle.
i play both of em proficiently. it's like goin' from bad mitten to tenis ball. get the fuck off your anti-metal high chair.
Unless you are playing music like Atheist, metal bass playing is root note unison riffs. Call it anti-metal until you are blue in the face; facts are facts.

metal can easily be very advanced in difficulty

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:32 pm**

CliffandJason-BASS wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
UNGODLIKE wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
Lord of This World wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Guitar players who try to be bass players =
what about guitarists who learn bass the right way?
I'm talking about the guys who suck at a guitar and pick up bass because they think it'll be easier. Newsflash, if you suck at guitar you're going to doubly suck at bass. You have more functions to juggle.
i play both of em proficiently. it's like goin' from bad mitten to tenis ball. get the fuck off your anti-metal high chair.
Unless you are playing music like Atheist, metal bass playing is root note unison riffs. Call it anti-metal until you are blue in the face; facts are facts.
metal can easily be very advanced in difficulty

For you

Posted: **Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:33 pm**

CliffandJason-BASS wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
UNGODLIKE wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
Lord of This World wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Guitar players who try to be bass players =
what about guitarists who learn bass the right way?
I'm talking about the guys who suck at a guitar and pick up bass because they think it'll be easier. Newsflash, if you suck at guitar you're going to doubly suck at bass. You have more functions to juggle.
i play both of em proficiently. it's like goin' from bad mitten to tenis ball. get the fuck off your anti-metal high chair.
Unless you are playing music like Atheist, metal bass playing is root note unison riffs. Call it anti-metal until you are blue in the face; facts are facts.
metal can easily be very advanced in difficulty

Sure. Just like counting can be.

Posted: **Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:15 pm**

drummer_goat wrote: Now that I need a bass player all of a sudden he is going to buy a bass rig so he can "jam" with us. We have a set list of originals and some covers polished and there is no way he will be able to keep up with us. I dont want to hurt his feelings but nobody in the band want to have to wait for someone to learn how to play when there are plenty of bass players around who can cut it. what do you say to someone like that?

bussiness: get a fuckin' bass player who could cut the mustard before he has a chance to show up w/his new gear and if and when he does, tell him "that's awesome," and perform a short set w/your new bassist for him.

Posted: **Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:43 pm**

Pfl?yd wrote:
EvilisthenewGood wrote:How do you "play bass properly"?

I play guitar, but played bass in a band. It probably sucked....
Did you play metal? If so, it probably doesn't matter anyway.

Exactly

Posted: **Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:59 pm**

granted that bass guitar doesn't necessarily require a plectrum, too many like to diss metal cuz they can't play the part.

Posted: **Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:38 pm**

UNGODLIKE wrote:granted that bass guitar doesn't necessarily require a plectrum, too many like to diss metal cuz they can't play the part.

I started off playing metal and then got bored once I realized there was more to music than playing as fast as you can. Same with drums.

There are plenty of cool metal-esque bands where the bassist unshackles himself from guitar riffs and does something interesting. I prefer that approach. "Power groove" metal is just bland now.

Posted: **Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:45 pm**

wal wrote:you can suck his cack

always great advice

Posted: **Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:02 pm**

it's so hard telling people that you don't want to play with them. i lost a good friend due to this

Posted: **Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:57 pm**

BassPhemy wrote:
UNGODLIKE wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
UNGODLIKE wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
Lord of This World wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Guitar players who try to be bass players =
what about guitarists who learn bass the right way?
I'm talking about the guys who suck at a guitar and pick up bass because they think it'll be easier. Newsflash, if you suck at guitar you're going to doubly suck at bass. You have more functions to juggle.
i play both of em proficiently. it's like goin' from bad mitten to tenis ball. get the fuck off your anti-metal high chair.
Unless you are playing music like Atheist, metal bass playing is root note unison riffs. Call it anti-metal until you are blue in the face; facts are facts.
as a guitarist, i could say that u are one bold and biased bassist!
As a guitarist you have no room to say anything about any topic ever.

there's an awesome, well defined rhythm section intro that occurs in the song "in the ditch" by hateplow. nothing alex webster-esque or crazy shit about it but it's a rumbling no frills representation of how metal should be played---not to be dissin' dream theater or anything.

Posted: **Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:50 pm**

CliffandJason-BASS wrote: metal can easily be very advanced in difficulty

Difficulty isn't only about speed and precision. Metal largely ignores dynamics, improvisation, feels other than "hard and fast", playing off other musicians, and sonic experimentation.

If you had Paul Bostaph record Reign In Blood with all the same drum hits that Dave Lombardo did on the album most of the fans wouldn't know the difference. If you had Dave Grohl play John Bonham parts even non-musicians would hear the difference.

Posted: **Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:05 pm**

Lord of This World wrote:
CliffandJason-BASS wrote: metal can easily be very advanced in difficulty
Difficulty isn't only about speed and precision. Metal largely ignores dynamics, improvisation, feels other than "hard and fast", playing off other musicians, and sonic experimentation.

If you had Paul Bostaph record Reign In Blood with all the same drum hits that Dave Lombardo did on the album most of the fans wouldn't know the difference. If you had Dave Grohl play John Bonham parts even non-musicians would hear the difference.

Well said bra

Posted: **Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:07 am**

Lord of This World wrote:
CliffandJason-BASS wrote: metal can easily be very advanced in difficulty
Difficulty isn't only about speed and precision. Metal largely ignores dynamics, improvisation, feels other than "hard and fast", playing off other musicians, and sonic experimentation.

If you had Paul Bostaph record Reign In Blood with all the same drum hits that Dave Lombardo did on the album most of the fans wouldn't know the difference. If you had Dave Grohl play John Bonham parts even non-musicians would hear the difference.

I disagree with the generalization unless you just listen to blast your brains out metal.

Reign In Bloods over rated as is Dave Grohl. Also Slayer is kinda known for doing the same album over and over so to speak while zepplin was not bound to any style, so the comparison does not fit. Furthermore improvisation is only one aspect of music and orchestrated compositions should not be overlooked. All in all diversity is the key.

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