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Couple of questions only a female would ask because I'm not musically-inclined in the slightest.

Anyone who listens to Thorns knows they have a really distinct guitar sound - what is that exactly? Don't say guitar.

I've never heard another band sound quite like it.

In Neurosis' "A Sun That Never Sets", what's that whistling, for lack of a better way to describe, sound at the beginning?

I'm just curious.

Guitar.

I don't know any of those songs, but if you send them to me im sure I can tell ya.

My AIM is rebelextravagant, I'll send them now if you want.

FBS wrote:My AIM is rebelextravagant, I'll send them now if you want.

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he plugs a couple of pre-amps straight into the soundboard. solid state pre-amps. so instead having having a microphone pointing at a speaker cabinet, he basically plugs his guitar into a distortion pedal, and plugs that into the recording device.

and the sound from that neurosis sound is just a sample played through a synth. i'm not sure where the original sound came from.

Scorn already said what I was going to speculate.

That guy from "Police Academy" does whatever you're talking about.

Thank you scornmuffin.

So, do any other bands do that? I love how it sounds, you'd think more would do it, even if only for a couple of songs.

i dont know if some bands do it all that way some use DI boxes or direct injenction and that goes right to the mixer so the engineer can make it sound like whatever.

I was also wondering what exactly grind is. What's the difference between death and deathgrind, musically? I know er, Anal Cunt and Cephalic Carnage (off the top of my head here) are considered grind but musically I don't know what sets them apart from other death metal bands, apart from the obvious, of course.

But yeah, what makes a band deathgrind and not just death?

I think grind has more of an industrial influence while death is closer to heavy metal.

FBS wrote:I was also wondering what exactly grind is. What's the difference between death and deathgrind, musically? I know er, Anal Cunt and Cephalic Carnage (off the top of my head here) are considered grind but musically I don't know what sets them apart from other death metal bands, apart from the obvious, of course.

But yeah, what makes a band deathgrind and not just death?

Death usually has longer songs, 3-5 minutes. Grind usually has 1-3 minute songs.

didn't rebel extravaganza essentially rip off Thorns' tone?

From what I understand, grindcore is like a mixture of death metal and hardcore punk, so it has a punk feel that usually isn't present in normal death metal. I think a lot of bands that people consider grindcore don't really sound like that.

aeon wrote:

FBS wrote:I was also wondering what exactly grind is. What's the difference between death and deathgrind, musically? I know er, Anal Cunt and Cephalic Carnage (off the top of my head here) are considered grind but musically I don't know what sets them apart from other death metal bands, apart from the obvious, of course.

But yeah, what makes a band deathgrind and not just death?

Death usually has longer songs, 3-5 minutes. Grind usually has 1-3 minute songs.

time has nothing to do with if it being grindcore or not, but normally grind is way shorter.

FBS wrote:Thank you scornmuffin.

So, do any other bands do that? I love how it sounds, you'd think more would do it, even if only for a couple of songs.

another example of a DI sound is all of the bass and guitar tones you hear on type o records.

Dominate wrote:didn't rebel extravaganza essentially rip off Thorns' tone?

what?

Grind is more punk influenced, normally far less pretentious, and generally goes for a raw feel on album whereas death metal is (usually) significantly more technical, quite often very pretentious/obsessed with image, and usually has a clearer production on album.

FBS wrote:

Dominate wrote:didn't rebel extravaganza essentially rip off Thorns' tone?

what?

When I hear rebel extravaganza, I'm inclined to think that Satyr was heavily influenced by the cold, mechanistic feel of Thorns. The guitar tones may not be exactly the same, but to my ears the detahched feel is there, especially with the vocals.

Dominate wrote:

FBS wrote:

Dominate wrote:didn't rebel extravaganza essentially rip off Thorns' tone?

what?

When I hear rebel extravaganza, I'm inclined to think that Satyr was heavily influenced by the cold, mechanistic feel of Thorns. The guitar tones may not be exactly the same, but to my ears the detahched feel is there, especially with the vocals.

Funny you mention that, because Snorre was a sound engineer on that album.

As for the vocals sounding similar, Satyr did the vocals on "Thorns" and it was released on Satyr's label.

..and he was co-producer.

Sorry I don't make a point to read liner notes.

he also plays on 'a moment of clarity.' i think he contributed some other riffs as well. however, it's also true that satyr took a lot of inspiration from snorre/thorns at that point in time, which ultimately culminated in them working together.