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I've got my associate's degree, and I don't really think finishing my bachelors is going to profoundly affect my life in any positive way. I'm friends with way too many musicians, so I'm thinking about really starting to learn bass. I practiced for a few hours today playing some Misfits songs, and it wasn't hard to learn. I guess I'm just seeking a bit of practical advice. What are some good songs to play to learn bass? What else should I do?

(I should probably ask people I know, but I'd like to at least be taken halfway seriously by attaining some skill before I approach them.)

Learn some scales and stuff.

You're never to old to learn new things. I'm getting a banjo soon, actually.

hollis thinks hes way too old to start.

priest didnt start selling a lot of albums until they were at least 30. dio didnt get too big until he was 40. if you think 22 is too old, you got a FUCKLOAD to learn, son.

the first song i learned on bass was for whom the bell tolls. pantera, nirvana, metallica, white zombie, ac/dc, misfits are all good bands to start with.

some simple songs to play are for whom the bell tolls and jump in the fire

It's never too late to learn something, but don't fool yourself into thinking it's ever going to be more than a passionate hobby.

Don't worry about learning scales any time soon. You'll be bored quick if you start out with that. Just learn songs. Play along to CDs.

I had an amazing jazz guitar teacher who started when he was 30.

dude get a 5 string bass and start with 5 string sweeps with taps ONLY u will save urself alot of time in the future

BassPhemy wrote:Don't worry about learning scales any time soon. You'll be bored quick if you start out with that. Just learn songs. Play along to CDs.

a very good friend o' mine told me to play along with cds with the same tempo and the notes you think are correct. keep playin along and you'll get the hang of it. also lern some scales and jazz. believe me that bouncy soundin stuff sounds cool and helps you.

^^^^ Also, don't listen to a thing this guys says. ^^^

fuck you dude i know what the hell im talkin about!

post a video of you playin

dont know how, and dont have equipment. if i did it would give away my identity which i wouldnt want on here. =]

Pfl?yd wrote:but don't fool yourself into thinking it's ever going to be more than a passionate hobby.

HUH? lack of natural talent has never stopped anyone. you might be well-read, but might i suggest you check out billboard magazine to prove my point.

Brandon wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:but don't fool yourself into thinking it's ever going to be more than a passionate hobby.

HUH? lack of natural talent has never stopped anyone. you might be well-read, but might i suggest you check out billboard magazine to prove my point.

I'm not talking talent, I'm talking pure statistics. He said he doesn't plan on pursuing a bachelor's degree but wants to play music. That suggests to me that he wants to pursue a career in music. But very, very few people ever turn playing in a band into a career.

Gnarkiller wrote:dude get a 5 string bass and start with 5 string sweeps with taps ONLY u will save urself alot of time in the future

you're funney.

Pfl?yd wrote:

Brandon wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:but don't fool yourself into thinking it's ever going to be more than a passionate hobby.

HUH? lack of natural talent has never stopped anyone. you might be well-read, but might i suggest you check out billboard magazine to prove my point.

I'm not talking talent, I'm talking pure statistics. He said he doesn't plan on pursuing a bachelor's degree but wants to play music. That suggests to me that he wants to pursue a career in music. But very, very few people ever turn playing in a band into a career.

One reason,
WHEN THEY'RE FUTURE ISN'T CLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAR
IT MAKES THEM DISSSSSSAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEAAAAAAAAAAR!

I believe that if you give anything a strong go. And you never quit.
You will come through. Hearing otherwise annoys me.
So I had to make this post.

BrootalBrewd wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:

Brandon wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:but don't fool yourself into thinking it's ever going to be more than a passionate hobby.

HUH? lack of natural talent has never stopped anyone. you might be well-read, but might i suggest you check out billboard magazine to prove my point.

I'm not talking talent, I'm talking pure statistics. He said he doesn't plan on pursuing a bachelor's degree but wants to play music. That suggests to me that he wants to pursue a career in music. But very, very few people ever turn playing in a band into a career.

One reason,
WHEN THEY'RE FUTURE ISN'T CLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAR
IT MAKES THEM DISSSSSSAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEAAAAAAAAAAR!

I believe that if you give anything a strong go. And you never quit.
You will come through. Hearing otherwise annoys me.
So I had to make this post.

I've been doing it for ten years. I still have a day job. I know that Stuart Smalley crap sounds good in theory, but let's be realistic.

Pfl?yd wrote:

BrootalBrewd wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:

Brandon wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:but don't fool yourself into thinking it's ever going to be more than a passionate hobby.

HUH? lack of natural talent has never stopped anyone. you might be well-read, but might i suggest you check out billboard magazine to prove my point.

I'm not talking talent, I'm talking pure statistics. He said he doesn't plan on pursuing a bachelor's degree but wants to play music. That suggests to me that he wants to pursue a career in music. But very, very few people ever turn playing in a band into a career.

One reason,
WHEN THEY'RE FUTURE ISN'T CLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAR
IT MAKES THEM DISSSSSSAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEAAAAAAAAAAR!

I believe that if you give anything a strong go. And you never quit.
You will come through. Hearing otherwise annoys me.
So I had to make this post.

I've been doing it for ten years. I still have a day job. I know that Stuart Smalley crap sounds good in theory, but let's be realistic.

So it took you ten years to realize this?

Gnarkiller wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:

BrootalBrewd wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:

Brandon wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:but don't fool yourself into thinking it's ever going to be more than a passionate hobby.

HUH? lack of natural talent has never stopped anyone. you might be well-read, but might i suggest you check out billboard magazine to prove my point.

I'm not talking talent, I'm talking pure statistics. He said he doesn't plan on pursuing a bachelor's degree but wants to play music. That suggests to me that he wants to pursue a career in music. But very, very few people ever turn playing in a band into a career.

One reason,
WHEN THEY'RE FUTURE ISN'T CLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAR
IT MAKES THEM DISSSSSSAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEAAAAAAAAAAR!

I believe that if you give anything a strong go. And you never quit.
You will come through. Hearing otherwise annoys me.
So I had to make this post.

I've been doing it for ten years. I still have a day job. I know that Stuart Smalley crap sounds good in theory, but let's be realistic.

So it took you ten years to realize this?

No, about two years. But I'm not going to stop doing what I love, I just don't plan on making a career out of it and anyone who does is most likely going to starve.

Pfl?yd wrote:

Gnarkiller wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:

BrootalBrewd wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:

Brandon wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:but don't fool yourself into thinking it's ever going to be more than a passionate hobby.

HUH? lack of natural talent has never stopped anyone. you might be well-read, but might i suggest you check out billboard magazine to prove my point.

I'm not talking talent, I'm talking pure statistics. He said he doesn't plan on pursuing a bachelor's degree but wants to play music. That suggests to me that he wants to pursue a career in music. But very, very few people ever turn playing in a band into a career.

One reason,
WHEN THEY'RE FUTURE ISN'T CLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAR
IT MAKES THEM DISSSSSSAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEAAAAAAAAAAR!

I believe that if you give anything a strong go. And you never quit.
You will come through. Hearing otherwise annoys me.
So I had to make this post.

I've been doing it for ten years. I still have a day job. I know that Stuart Smalley crap sounds good in theory, but let's be realistic.

So it took you ten years to realize this?

No, about two years. But I'm not going to stop doing what I love, I just don't plan on making a career out of it and anyone who does is most likely going to starve.

thats what fat chicks are for dude. they will feed u and themselves and always have juicy pussy

Pfl?yd wrote:

BrootalBrewd wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:

Brandon wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:but don't fool yourself into thinking it's ever going to be more than a passionate hobby.

HUH? lack of natural talent has never stopped anyone. you might be well-read, but might i suggest you check out billboard magazine to prove my point.

I'm not talking talent, I'm talking pure statistics. He said he doesn't plan on pursuing a bachelor's degree but wants to play music. That suggests to me that he wants to pursue a career in music. But very, very few people ever turn playing in a band into a career.

One reason,
WHEN THEY'RE FUTURE ISN'T CLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAR
IT MAKES THEM DISSSSSSAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEAAAAAAAAAAR!

I believe that if you give anything a strong go. And you never quit.
You will come through. Hearing otherwise annoys me.
So I had to make this post.

I've been doing it for ten years. I still have a day job. I know that Stuart Smalley crap sounds good in theory, but let's be realistic.

Screw being realistic. No one has ever turned any heads being realistic.

Pfl?yd wrote:

Brandon wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:but don't fool yourself into thinking it's ever going to be more than a passionate hobby.

HUH? lack of natural talent has never stopped anyone. you might be well-read, but might i suggest you check out billboard magazine to prove my point.

I'm not talking talent, I'm talking pure statistics. He said he doesn't plan on pursuing a bachelor's degree but wants to play music. That suggests to me that he wants to pursue a career in music. But very, very few people ever turn playing in a band into a career.

its called a dream!

BrootalBrewd wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:

Brandon wrote:

Pfl?yd wrote:but don't fool yourself into thinking it's ever going to be more than a passionate hobby.

HUH? lack of natural talent has never stopped anyone. you might be well-read, but might i suggest you check out billboard magazine to prove my point.

I'm not talking talent, I'm talking pure statistics. He said he doesn't plan on pursuing a bachelor's degree but wants to play music. That suggests to me that he wants to pursue a career in music. But very, very few people ever turn playing in a band into a career.

One reason,
WHEN THEY'RE FUTURE ISN'T CLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAR
IT MAKES THEM DISSSSSSAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEAAAAAAAAAAR!

I believe that if you give anything a strong go. And you never quit.
You will come through. Hearing otherwise annoys me.
So I had to make this post.

he's saying that its very unlikely to have music as a full time career. that is simply down to chance. he's not saying you can't have success. it is very possible to make some money here and there, record albums and get gigs constantly if you have talent and work hard. but getting to the point where it's your only source of income is up to chance, that's just how the world works. get over it. i'm 18 and i've accepted this.

if "never quitting" guaranteed success than they're wouldn't be so many underground musicians who are incredible songwriters and performers. the entertainment industries rewards marketability and performers who don't think independently and can be controlled artistically.

it will only change when the next "late 60's" happens, which i doubt will be in my lifetime. i don't see the idiot lemmings letting go of what MTV shoves down their throats anytime soon.

hope for a big war/social revolution soon if you want it to change.

I play out pretty damn often, have sold CDs, do recording sessions and all that jazz and still only clear like $10,000 a year from music. That's not even poverty level living. I'm sure I *might* be able to double that if I toured and sold a lot of merch and played limp-wristed pop music but that's still next to nothing.

It's just reality. And there's nothing *wrong* with wanting make a career out of music but *planning* on it is like *planning* on winning the lottery.

It's just plain stupid.

ok

planning a career in music is indeed impractical.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=IEA6zKCNBi4& ... ed&search=

didnt understand the point of that, but anyway planning a career in music is practical although you prolly have to be in the right place and the right time.

CliffandJason-BASS wrote:didnt understand the point of that, but anyway planning a career in music is practical although you prolly have to be in the right place and the right time.

Like winning a slot machine jackpot.

happens more often than that but about that.

CliffandJason-BASS wrote:happens more often than that but about that.

huh?

getting a record deal and such happens more often than winning the jackpot

CliffandJason-BASS wrote:getting a record deal and such happens more often than winning the jackpot

You are the dumbest person alive.

iiiiiiiiiiii dont thiiiiiiinkkkkk so

CliffandJason-BASS wrote:getting a record deal and such happens more often than winning the jackpot

this is 2007, kid. record deals are NOT practical. a licensing deal, sure. but having a record deal in the 21st century is stupid. DIY will be the way of the 21st century. any musician with a full blown record deal at this day and age is a fool. the record company will take all the money, push them around, and just fuck them over in the end.

floyd is 100% correct. this shouldn't even be a debate.

the better the work ethic, the better the chances are........

Brandon wrote:

CliffandJason-BASS wrote:getting a record deal and such happens more often than winning the jackpot

this is 2007, kid. record deals are NOT practical. a licensing deal, sure. but having a record deal in the 21st century is stupid. DIY will be the way of the 21st century. any musician with a full blown record deal at this day and age is a fool. the record company will take all the money, push them around, and just fuck them over in the end.

This is definitely the case. If you sell albums through an indie label you can make between $2 - $5 per CD you sell. That means you can sell a hell of a lot less albums and still make a tidy sum. Try doing that with a major label deal where you make 67 cents per album AFTER the recoupable advance is paid off. This is why bands on major labels have to sell at LEAST a Gold album before they can even see anything for their effort.

Did you know the average major label band member makes approximately the same annual salary as a worker at Burger King makes a year?

"The Problem With Music" By Steve Albini:

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

croninburg wrote:"The Problem With Music" By Steve Albini:

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

That article has been my Bible for about six years now.

CliffandJason-BASS wrote:iiiiiiiiiiii dont thiiiiiiinkkkkk so

I'm convinced you may be retarded.... Fucking stupid ass people.