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Decent cymbals
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:40 pm
by Pfl?yd
I'm thinking of upgrading my piecemeal cymbal set-up and going with some more consistant stuff. I basically am in the market for a set of hats, two crashes, and a ride. I need "neutral" sounding stuff because I like to play a lot of jazz stuff, but I play drums in a louder avant-noise-punk thing, so I need stuff that handles both types decently instead of one type of music really well.
Throw me some suggestions!
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:52 pm
by CFH Eternal
Those Meinl symbals seem to work well.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:05 am
by scrotal_tug
A couple of my buds swear by Sabian AAX's. From my experiance they sound great in person. I also recorded a kit with them not too long ago & they come accross really nicely.
My friends mainly use them for 'louder' stuff than Jazz, but from what I can gather off the net.. They are an 'allround' cymbal!
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:11 am
by Bukkake Tsunami
dont go near zildjian.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:13 am
by Aeon
Mike Portnoy sig cymbals.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:03 am
by Cheyenne fucking Buffet
Aeon wrote:Mike Portnoy sig cymbals.
There are no MP sig hats, crashes, or rides.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:09 am
by Aeon
Cheyenne fucking Buffet wrote:Aeon wrote:Mike Portnoy sig cymbals.
There are no MP sig hats, crashes, or rides.
What about John Myung sig cymbals?
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:12 am
by Cheyenne fucking Buffet
I'd go with all thins/medium-thins (to avoid long-term/short-term cracking), and I wouldn't limit myself to one manufacturer. Mix and match with the equivalent higher-end lines. Since you'll have trouble finding a store that'll carry every manufacturer, I'd just do online searches for sound clips. I do know Meinl has a very good clip system going on at their site. All of my crashes are Meinls... they also have some great effects cymbals, as well.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:16 am
by Aeon
Post the picture of your kit with that ever so 80s zebraskin drumthrone.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:19 am
by Cheyenne fucking Buffet
Setup has changed slightly, so I'd rather not post an outdated pic.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:22 am
by Aeon
Well excuse me. What did you change? Did you get a vibrating cock saddle for your drum throne?
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:23 am
by Cheyenne fucking Buffet
Well, yes.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:25 am
by Aeon
Green Day signature or Dream Theater?
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:26 am
by Cheyenne fucking Buffet
GD
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:26 am
by Pfl?yd
I might just get two kits, one for playing the loud shit live and one for all the quieter jazzier shit I do at home. Problem solved!
I'll check out those Meinls though.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:27 am
by Aeon
If you want to play 'quieter jazz shit' why don't you just change how hard you hit stuff?
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:33 am
by Pfl?yd
Aeon wrote:If you want to play 'quieter jazz shit' why don't you just change how hard you hit stuff?
A lot of cymbals don't sound as good through the entire dynamic spectrum. Like Bosphorus (sp) cymbals (if I could find them again for a decent price) sound very good for quiet, intricate things but sound terrible being laid into. I'm not a cymbal expert by any means though, so I was getting some opinions.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:13 pm
by wal
Pflöyd wrote:Aeon wrote:If you want to play 'quieter jazz shit' why don't you just change how hard you hit stuff?
A lot of cymbals don't sound as good through the entire dynamic spectrum. Like Bosphorus (sp) cymbals (if I could find them again for a decent price) sound very good for quiet, intricate things but sound terrible being laid into. I'm not a cymbal expert by any means though, so I was getting some opinions.
i bought a 2nd hand Bosp 22" ride last month. paid only nz$ 120. i rule.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:23 pm
by Revolver
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:25 pm
by nass
paiste paiste paiste. if you have the money, get signatures, they will work for both styles. otherwise, 2oo2 or dimensions for the louder shit, traditionals for the jazz.
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:50 am
by Watw-Drums
Meinl, damn straight.
If you're willing to pay a lot more. Check out the Hand Hammered and HHX series by sabian. Look into them.
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:15 pm
by FatRufusFucksYou
Anything Paiste.
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:40 pm
by Pfl?yd
I have Paistes now. They aren't all that impressive to me. They do the job, but don't seem extraordinary.
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:13 am
by nass
Pflöyd wrote:I have Paistes now. They aren't all that impressive to me. They do the job, but don't seem extraordinary.
what ones do you have?
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:19 am
by Pfl?yd
nass wrote:Pflöyd wrote:I have Paistes now. They aren't all that impressive to me. They do the job, but don't seem extraordinary.
what ones do you have?
Alpha series. They're pretty old. The hats still sound pretty good, but the crashes and ride are a touch darker than I'd like.
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:18 pm
by nass
Pflöyd wrote:nass wrote:Pflöyd wrote:I have Paistes now. They aren't all that impressive to me. They do the job, but don't seem extraordinary.
what ones do you have?
Alpha series. They're pretty old. The hats still sound pretty good, but the crashes and ride are a touch darker than I'd like.
thats like saying you're not impressed with zildjian zbts.. alphas are paiste's low end cymbals
Re: Decent cymbals
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:00 am
by drummer_goat
Pflöyd wrote:I'm thinking of upgrading my piecemeal cymbal set-up and going with some more consistant stuff. I basically am in the market for a set of hats, two crashes, and a ride. I need "neutral" sounding stuff because I like to play a lot of jazz stuff, but I play drums in a louder avant-noise-punk thing, so I need stuff that handles both types decently instead of one type of music really well.
Throw me some suggestions!
If you want to save $$$ use different sizes of sticks. I use 2bs for rock and 7as for funk, latin, and fusion shit. Not only does this help with volume, but it is much easier to do jazz ride patterns with small sticks
Its kinda hard switching sizes at first but you'll get used to it.
Cymbals are a personal preference and their are no rules. If you want interchangable cymbals you will not want to go with dry (to jazzy) or cymbals with a quick decay (won't sound good in jazz) i also prefer zildjians.
As far as getting cymbals that work for both you might like these i use one of these crashes and its my favorite.
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/products/ ... uctID=1355
or if you want two differnt crashes you might try one of those and something a little more rockn but id get 2 of the same so that you can put one by the hats and one by the ride and hit whichever is easiest. If you got completly different models you would have to choose what sound you wanted because of the differnce in tone, and the cymbal that you want to hit might be on the oppisite side from where you are riding.
If you do decide to go with different crashes I've been thinking about buying one of these to use as a crash when I can get the money
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/products/ ... uctID=2109
Its called a ride but its a fucking crash listen to it. And it would also work well for jazz because of its decay
As far as hats go if I can ever afford it i will get these. I love the sounds of these, rock hats also alway sound like shit.
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/products/ ... uctID=1318
This is the ride I will get to replace my shitty one. Its the best.
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/products/ ... uctID=1418
listen to the sound clips and you can get the idea.
Re: Decent cymbals
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:31 am
by Pfl?yd
drummer_goat wrote:Pflöyd wrote:I'm thinking of upgrading my piecemeal cymbal set-up and going with some more consistant stuff. I basically am in the market for a set of hats, two crashes, and a ride. I need "neutral" sounding stuff because I like to play a lot of jazz stuff, but I play drums in a louder avant-noise-punk thing, so I need stuff that handles both types decently instead of one type of music really well.
Throw me some suggestions!
If you want to save $$$ use different sizes of sticks. I use 2bs for rock and 7as for funk, latin, and fusion shit. Not only does this help with volume, but it is much easier to do jazz ride patterns with small sticks
Its kinda hard switching sizes at first but you'll get used to it.
Cymbals are a personal preference and their are no rules. If you want interchangable cymbals you will not want to go with dry (to jazzy) or cymbals with a quick decay (won't sound good in jazz) i also prefer zildjians.
As far as getting cymbals that work for both you might like these i use one of these crashes and its my favorite.
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/products/ ... uctID=1355
or if you want two differnt crashes you might try one of those and something a little more rockn but id get 2 of the same so that you can put one by the hats and one by the ride and hit whichever is easiest. If you got completly different models you would have to choose what sound you wanted because of the differnce in tone, and the cymbal that you want to hit might be on the oppisite side from where you are riding.
If you do decide to go with different crashes I've been thinking about buying one of these to use as a crash when I can get the money
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/products/ ... uctID=2109
Its called a ride but its a fucking crash listen to it. And it would also work well for jazz because of its decay
As far as hats go if I can ever afford it i will get these. I love the sounds of these, rock hats also alway sound like shit.
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/products/ ... uctID=1318
This is the ride I will get to replace my shitty one. Its the best.
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/products/ ... uctID=1418
listen to the sound clips and you can get the idea.
I try to use the lightest sticks possible most of the time, though I have found that getting too light means I have a slower rebound and can't pull off long snare rolls with any amount of precision. I try to get it at tthe sweet spot between being light and having enough mass.
I have played a lot of Zildjian cymbals on those big rock kits and they take quite a beatitng, though their "lighter" sounds were always a bit "meh". The dark crash doesn't sound too bad on that sample, but that thrash ride is definitely too "trashy" for the applications I'm looking for, the heavy one isn't too bad though. The ride I have actually doesn't sound too bad, especially on the bell, but it's pretty old and seems to be losing a lot of its character.
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:32 am
by BassPhemy
Zildjian, Zildjian, Zildjian. Go to the Metallica boards you Lars-worshipping amateur faggotfuck drummer.
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:50 pm
by nass
BassPhemy wrote:Zildjian, Zildjian, Zildjian. Go to the Metallica boards you Lars-worshipping amateur faggotfuck drummer.
floyd, please try some paiste signatures out, i implore you. most heavenly cymbals known to man.
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:08 pm
by Pfl?yd
nass wrote:BassPhemy wrote:Zildjian, Zildjian, Zildjian. Go to the Metallica boards you Lars-worshipping amateur faggotfuck drummer.
floyd, please try some paiste signatures out, i implore you. most heavenly cymbals known to man.
I shall do this. If the low grade ones already sound pretty decent new, the better ones surely can't be worse!
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:30 am
by lacrosseplayer
who the ehll uses light sticks?!?! i get the heaviest ones i can find and if you really want 2 invest in some cymbals then buy the neil peart paragon set
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:05 am
by Revolver
lacrosseplayer wrote:who the ehll uses light sticks?!?! i get the heaviest ones i can find and if you really want 2 invest in some cymbals then buy the neil peart paragon set
You're a dick.
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:50 pm
by Lager
BassPhemy wrote:Zildjian, Zildjian, Zildjian. Go to the Metallica boards you Lars-worshipping amateur faggotfuck drummer.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:38 pm
by Pfl?yd
lacrosseplayer wrote:who the ehll uses light sticks?!?! i get the heaviest ones i can find and if you really want 2 invest in some cymbals then buy the neil peart paragon set
Hey, if you want to hit the kit like a drunk caveman and bust sticks on rims all the time, more power to you. Using light sticks definitely zones in on your technique.