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Is it true that bassists hate guitarists that switch to bass

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:23 pm
by CFH Eternal
I always hear this, and does it bother any of the bassists here?

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:36 pm
by Firestorm
Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:51 pm
by PRJECEDNIK
Firestorm wrote:Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:02 pm
by Pfl?yd
I hate guitarists that switch to bass because they usually bring the guitarist attitude of "mememememememe" with them and sound like a pile of shit on the bass. If you want to be a spotlight person onstage, stay with guitar. Other than mechanical similarities, bass and guitar are completely different.

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:35 pm
by PABassPlayer
Pflöyd wrote:I hate guitarists that switch to bass because they usually bring the guitarist attitude of "mememememememe" with them and sound like a pile of shit on the bass. If you want to be a spotlight person onstage, stay with guitar. Other than mechanical similarities, bass and guitar are completely different.
what he said.

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:36 am
by Kyle
Pflöyd wrote:I hate guitarists that switch to bass because they usually bring the guitarist attitude of "mememememememe" with them and sound like a pile of shit on the bass. If you want to be a spotlight person onstage, stay with guitar. Other than mechanical similarities, bass and guitar are completely different.
we dont ALL have that attitude....do we?


ive filled in for a few guys before, i love playing bass. i just have dumped so much cash and time into learning guitar, theres no way id switch now.

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:42 pm
by Pantera420
i hate bass players that switch to guitar :x

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:08 pm
by Pfl?yd
Pantera420 wrote:i hate bass players that switch to guitar :x
I play guitar quite well, but I'm not into it as a performance instrument.

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:09 pm
by Lager
Bass > guitar.

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:13 pm
by Pfl?yd
Lager wrote:Bass > guitar.
:tup:

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:15 pm
by Aeon
Music is gay.

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:25 pm
by Grimlock
I now play guitar, but still play bass.

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:39 pm
by warhead dime
Pflöyd wrote:
Lager wrote:Bass > guitar.
:tup:
I feel guitar a lot more, but that's just my preference. However, I don't view one above the other.

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:53 am
by PABassPlayer
Guitar players that switch to bass often over play and don't really have the "goove". I'm not saying "all" but most I have seen.

They try to put fills in where they don't belong and over complicate even the best simplistic bass lines. They don't realize that what you don't play is as important as what you do play. A dramatic pause, a staccato walk up or playing 4:4 when the drums are going 5:4 can make things very cool. In another words they have the mechanics, but seldom have the "feel". (then again, some bass players lack this ability too)

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:19 am
by Maelstrom
Pflöyd wrote:they usually bring the guitarist attitude of "mememememememe" with them
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:54 pm
by wal
PABassPlayer wrote:Guitar players that switch to bass often over play and don't really have the "goove". I'm not saying "all" but most I have seen.

They try to put fills in where they don't belong and over complicate even the best simplistic bass lines. They don't realize that what you don't play is as important as what you do play. A dramatic pause, a staccato walk up or playing 4:4 when the drums are going 5:4 can make things very cool. In another words they have the mechanics, but seldom have the "feel". (then again, some bass players lack this ability too)
how can you play like that?

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:06 pm
by PABassPlayer
wal wrote:
PABassPlayer wrote:Guitar players that switch to bass often over play and don't really have the "goove". I'm not saying "all" but most I have seen.

They try to put fills in where they don't belong and over complicate even the best simplistic bass lines. They don't realize that what you don't play is as important as what you do play. A dramatic pause, a staccato walk up or playing 4:4 when the drums are going 5:4 can make things very cool. In another words they have the mechanics, but seldom have the "feel". (then again, some bass players lack this ability too)
how can you play like that?
I can't really show you on our original stuff, but a good example is the bridge in Godsmack - Bad Religion. Not saying it's a great song, but it's where I got the feel and idea for some of my original stuff.

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:08 pm
by Pfl?yd
wal wrote:
PABassPlayer wrote:Guitar players that switch to bass often over play and don't really have the "goove". I'm not saying "all" but most I have seen.

They try to put fills in where they don't belong and over complicate even the best simplistic bass lines. They don't realize that what you don't play is as important as what you do play. A dramatic pause, a staccato walk up or playing 4:4 when the drums are going 5:4 can make things very cool. In another words they have the mechanics, but seldom have the "feel". (then again, some bass players lack this ability too)
how can you play like that?
I've done things of the sort where I would play a clave-style line and then keep moving the "one" back another beat while the drums kept the same time. It's not easy to keep up, but it's pretty fun to do in a jam context. Keeps everyone on their toes.

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:12 pm
by PABassPlayer
Pflöyd wrote:
wal wrote:
PABassPlayer wrote:Guitar players that switch to bass often over play and don't really have the "goove". I'm not saying "all" but most I have seen.

They try to put fills in where they don't belong and over complicate even the best simplistic bass lines. They don't realize that what you don't play is as important as what you do play. A dramatic pause, a staccato walk up or playing 4:4 when the drums are going 5:4 can make things very cool. In another words they have the mechanics, but seldom have the "feel". (then again, some bass players lack this ability too)
how can you play like that?
I've done things of the sort where I would play a clave-style line and then keep moving the "one" back another beat while the drums kept the same time. It's not easy to keep up, but it's pretty fun to do in a jam context. Keeps everyone on their toes.
you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:20 pm
by wal
PABassPlayer wrote:
wal wrote:
PABassPlayer wrote:Guitar players that switch to bass often over play and don't really have the "goove". I'm not saying "all" but most I have seen.

They try to put fills in where they don't belong and over complicate even the best simplistic bass lines. They don't realize that what you don't play is as important as what you do play. A dramatic pause, a staccato walk up or playing 4:4 when the drums are going 5:4 can make things very cool. In another words they have the mechanics, but seldom have the "feel". (then again, some bass players lack this ability too)
how can you play like that?
I can't really show you on our original stuff, but a good example is the bridge in Godsmack - Bad Religion. Not saying it's a great song, but it's where I got the feel and idea for some of my original stuff.
well, say you play 4/4 and your drummer plays 5/4 at 100bpm , you have 4 pulse when he has 5.. how can you make it work at the 2nd bar when you hit 1 and hes still on '5'?
the only thing that i know is called rhythmic displacement when you move your rhythm pattern (1) back/forward another beat like floyd said.

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:37 pm
by Pfl?yd
wal wrote:
PABassPlayer wrote:
wal wrote:
PABassPlayer wrote:Guitar players that switch to bass often over play and don't really have the "goove". I'm not saying "all" but most I have seen.

They try to put fills in where they don't belong and over complicate even the best simplistic bass lines. They don't realize that what you don't play is as important as what you do play. A dramatic pause, a staccato walk up or playing 4:4 when the drums are going 5:4 can make things very cool. In another words they have the mechanics, but seldom have the "feel". (then again, some bass players lack this ability too)
how can you play like that?
I can't really show you on our original stuff, but a good example is the bridge in Godsmack - Bad Religion. Not saying it's a great song, but it's where I got the feel and idea for some of my original stuff.
well, say you play 4/4 and your drummer plays 5/4 at 100bpm , you have 4 pulse when he has 5.. how can you make it work at the 2nd bar when you hit 1 and hes still on '5'?
the only thing that i know is called rhythmic displacement when you move your rhythm pattern (1) back/forward another beat like floyd said.
Yeah, that's pretty much the only way it works. It's kind of circular. I do it in sparse parts though so it's almost subtle and gives the guitarist plenty of room to do things over it.

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:51 pm
by PABassPlayer
You hear it used in jazz quite abit, but you can apply it anywhere. It's not something that you write an entire song with, but more so a bridge or if your doing a tempo change mid song it makes a cool conversion. Like I said, the mechanics of doing it is easier said than the feel of it. Like Pfloyd said, definatly keep everyone on there toes, and you have to have a good gel with your drummer for him to keep steady time and not deviate until you both come back to 1.

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:56 pm
by ATR v1.2
would they meet up every sixth bar?

and thats the kinda shit don von vliet used to get his band to do. all play in different time signatures, but have all the parts carefully constructed so as to all come back in on one note and then diverge again, only to come together again, and again.

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:01 pm
by PABassPlayer
ATR v1.2 wrote:would they meet up every sixth bar?

and thats the kinda shit don von vliet used to get his band to do. all play in different time signatures, but have all the parts carefully constructed so as to all come back in on one note and then diverge again, only to come together again, and again.
Thats true, assuming there is 6 bars to the riff. Sometimes coming out of that time signature is harder than going into it. Although I'm not a huge fan, Meshuggah are masters at it. Any band that can have 3 and 4 time signatures going at once and still come back to one spot are incredible.

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:12 am
by slay