question about vocal effect for recording - 'telephone'-ish?

mindwar · Post by **mindwar** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:49 am

hi

ok im gonna try to make this as clear as possible..please bear with me

regarding recording..im recording stuff on my home computer. most of it is pretty much direct line in..im just putting demos together for the time being and gonna see how they turn out..

but the reason im posting this is to ask..theres a particular vocal effect ive been trying to track down..i hope someone may be able to provide me with a quicker response..

its that kind of vocal effect that sounds like your singing through a telephone..i couldnt point out particular songs right now that use that effect..quite a view velvet revolver songs feature it..In Scott's vocals..i think...

im gonna try to think of other songs that use this effect..but in the meantime if anybody knows this effect im talking about, please provide information..

and if it was available to download as a vst plug in? or if there is a shareware/freeware download? or even tips as to how i could achieve that sound..maybe plugging the mic into my amp?

any help please...thanks alot..

KC-04 · Post by **KC-04** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:04 am

Graphic eq- get the highs up

stoic · Post by **stoic** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:05 am

i knew exactly what you're talking about and I always thought that effect was kick ass. I'm pretty sure they just use a cell phone to call a direct line in the studio and sing with the direct line's receiver held up to a mic. pm me for a diagram if you want.

long4theblur · Post by **long4theblur** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:31 am

mindwar wrote:quite a view velvet revolver songs feature it..In Scott's vocals..i think...

at least live, to get that effect scott sings through a megaphone pointed at the mic. dunno if he does the same for in the studio but maybe you could hunt one down and give it a try.

Metallash · Post by **Metallash** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:47 am

its not highs that you need, its mid-range, use an EQ and cut from around 300Hz downward, then cut from about 6-8KHz and Above. cant remember the exact frequencies as i dont have cubase at work but if they dont work when i get home ill post the exact frequencies, those ones above should work fine though.

scrotal_tug · Post by **scrotal_tug** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:21 am

I've got a plugin by Yamaha called 'Vocal Rack'. It's got a preset called 'Radio' - I think it's pretty close to what your trying to achieve, it's the same kinda concept. You'll be able to find it on P2Ps.

Geuss it'll be easier just to get the right EQ frequencies from Metallash & do it yourself, though.

Revolver · Post by **Revolver** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:05 am

They got Max to scream down a phone in Nailbomb

whitemike · Post by **whitemike** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:01 pm

There's a cool plugin for cubase SX called Bitsmash or something. The larger the setting you put the more it sounds like it's coming from an old school console game, but halfway it sounds quite telephonish.

Metallash · Post by **Metallash** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:09 pm

ok the frequencies are: 250Hz-4KHz just cut the frequencies below and above this range and there you go, you can also add a bit of distortion to make it sound a little bit convincing too.

Kellan · Post by **Kellan** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:17 pm

bass - 0
treble - 0
midrange - 10, around 4k

SuicideNote · Post by **SuicideNote** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:46 pm

I found this interesting site that has some basic info on EQing voice. It includes screens of some waves plugins.

http://www.transom.org/tools/editing_mi ... ssing.html

This board is becoming more helpful by the day, good work.

Edit: I also found this tidbit.

Phone transmissions have almost all of their energy in the range between 400hz and 3,500 hz

mindwar · Post by **mindwar** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:33 pm

fuck you guys are awesome..i wasn't sure what kind of response i was going to get and you guys have fucking laid it all out for me..thanks to each and every one of you who have replied..i will be looking into all of this when i get a chance and i'll come back and report

but shucks..thanks alot you guys you are a huge help

if theres anyone else with other details please let me know otherwise ill start figuring some of this stuff out..

p.s. yeah i heard about people singing down a telephone..i recorded a telephone conversation once through the handset and it sounded about right, but i dont have those kind of resources available..i will try what all of you suggested though..thanks again..

dan · Post by **dan** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:54 pm

Revolver wrote:Nailbomb

Acid Flashbakc · Post by **Acid Flashbakc** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:45 am

Metallash wrote:its not highs that you need, its mid-range, use an EQ and cut from around 300Hz downward, then cut from about 6-8KHz and Above. cant remember the exact frequencies as i dont have cubase at work but if they dont work when i get home ill post the exact frequencies, those ones above should work fine though.

yea pretty much what i was gonna say. its like when you turn the bass and the treble down in your car and just hear the mid, live its fine with a megaphone but it doesnt sound the same.

stoic · Post by **stoic** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:51 am

mindwar wrote:
p.s. yeah i heard about people singing down a telephone..

I was being sarcastic

mindwar · Post by **mindwar** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:29 am

stoic wrote:
mindwar wrote:
p.s. yeah i heard about people singing down a telephone..
I was being sarcastic

No man..thats for real....I have read before about people who hook up a phone and sing through that and hey it does work..Its just a fuckin hassle sortin out two telephones and setting it all up..

anyway..well im thinking for starters i need to get some sort of a EQ plugin for the program i use called AUDACITY....i dont think there are eq settings to specific tracks so yah..but once again thanks for the pointers

keep posting with additional information though..im gonna go home now and mess around and see what i can do..

Gnarkiller · Post by **Gnarkiller** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:41 am

get the unplugged alice in chains DVD... layne staley does that effect WITH HIS OWN TWO FUCKING HANDS

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:45 am

Gnarkiller wrote:get the unplugged alice in chains DVD... layne staley does that effect WITH HIS OWN TWO FUCKING HANDS

no, he does that with a different mic thats going through an effect.

Gnarkiller · Post by **Gnarkiller** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:21 pm

Chris wrote:
Gnarkiller wrote:get the unplugged alice in chains DVD... layne staley does that effect WITH HIS OWN TWO FUCKING HANDS

no, he does that with a different mic thats going through an effect.

NO! its natural! all natural

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