OK, so somebody explain this to me

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:55 pm

Am I the only one that thinks Pantera songs use some retarded tuning? Whenever I try to play their songs, my bass always seems out of tune

Any other band is OK, it's just Pantera.

halp

PABassPlayer · Post by **PABassPlayer** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:59 pm

Pantera was notorius for "reference tuning".

Meaning that, where ever the E-string was, they tuned the rest of the guitar to it. Usually somewhere in between E and D. Alot of older Van Halen tunes are the same way.

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:13 pm

Cool. Never heard of that.

Metallash · Post by **Metallash** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:25 pm

Didnt they tune a few Hz off of 440? Im sure it was something like that.

PABassPlayer · Post by **PABassPlayer** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:02 pm

Metallash wrote:Didnt they tune a few Hz off of 440? Im sure it was something like that.

I don't think it was an exact measure of Hz, it varies from song to song.

Acid Flashbakc · Post by **Acid Flashbakc** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:48 pm

Metallash wrote:Didnt they tune a few Hz off of 440? Im sure it was something like that.

yea a lot of bands slip up and change the hz on tuners etc

Pfl?yd · Post by **Pfl?yd** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:30 pm

Yeah, their tunings on a lot of albums are just off from actual pitch. the annoying thing is that tuning even changed from album to album. It makes me wonder if they adjusted the speed of some of their recordings slightly for editing purposes or to help Phil sound in tune.

hippy · Post by **hippy** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:33 pm

Pfl?yd wrote:Yeah, their tunings on a lot of albums are just off from actual pitch. the annoying thing is that tuning even changed from album to album. It makes me wonder if they adjusted the speed of some of their recordings slightly for editing purposes or to help Phil sound in tune.

didn't they admit to recording an entire album by only recording sections that were different and then copy and pasting them?

PABassPlayer · Post by **PABassPlayer** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:05 pm

Pfl?yd wrote:Yeah, their tunings on a lot of albums are just off from actual pitch. the annoying thing is that tuning even changed from album to album. It makes me wonder if they adjusted the speed of some of their recordings slightly for editing purposes or to help Phil sound in tune.

As well as song to song. Especially CFH.

Pfl?yd · Post by **Pfl?yd** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:50 pm

hippy wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Yeah, their tunings on a lot of albums are just off from actual pitch. the annoying thing is that tuning even changed from album to album. It makes me wonder if they adjusted the speed of some of their recordings slightly for editing purposes or to help Phil sound in tune.
didn't they admit to recording an entire album by only recording sections that were different and then copy and pasting them?

No, I think they have too much deviation from part to part to really do that. I know for a fact Linkin Park (who barely even qualifies as a band) did their entire second album that way. Which is why their already shitty songs sound bland and stale.

long4theblur · Post by **long4theblur** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:57 pm

I do that if I'm lazy/drunk

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:04 am

Pfl?yd wrote:I know for a fact Linkin Park (who barely even qualifies as a band)

warhead dime · Post by **warhead dime** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:58 am

Pantera tuned everything 90 cents below whatever tuning the song was described in. So on the CFH album for example, which was in mostly in "standard", it was really set 90 cents below that.

hektik · Post by **hektik** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:10 pm

warhead dime wrote:Pantera tuned everything 90 cents below whatever tuning the song was described in. So on the CFH album for example, which was in mostly in "standard", it was really set 90 cents below that.

I thought it was -40?

PABassPlayer · Post by **PABassPlayer** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:11 pm

hektik wrote:
warhead dime wrote:Pantera tuned everything 90 cents below whatever tuning the song was described in. So on the CFH album for example, which was in mostly in "standard", it was really set 90 cents below that.
I thought it was -40?

inflation, my friend.

Motorhead · Post by **Motorhead** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:37 pm

Pfl?yd wrote:
hippy wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Yeah, their tunings on a lot of albums are just off from actual pitch. the annoying thing is that tuning even changed from album to album. It makes me wonder if they adjusted the speed of some of their recordings slightly for editing purposes or to help Phil sound in tune.
didn't they admit to recording an entire album by only recording sections that were different and then copy and pasting them?
No, I think they have too much deviation from part to part to really do that. I know for a fact Linkin Park (who barely even qualifies as a band) did their entire second album that way. Which is why their already shitty songs sound bland and stale.

Rumor is Metallica just looped Lars's double bass on Dyers Eve because, well, he sucks and couldn't keep it up.

DBS · Post by **DBS** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:44 pm

PABassPlayer wrote:
hektik wrote:
warhead dime wrote:Pantera tuned everything 90 cents below whatever tuning the song was described in. So on the CFH album for example, which was in mostly in "standard", it was really set 90 cents below that.
I thought it was -40?
inflation, my friend.

Pfl?yd · Post by **Pfl?yd** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:43 pm

Motorhead wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
hippy wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Yeah, their tunings on a lot of albums are just off from actual pitch. the annoying thing is that tuning even changed from album to album. It makes me wonder if they adjusted the speed of some of their recordings slightly for editing purposes or to help Phil sound in tune.
didn't they admit to recording an entire album by only recording sections that were different and then copy and pasting them?
No, I think they have too much deviation from part to part to really do that. I know for a fact Linkin Park (who barely even qualifies as a band) did their entire second album that way. Which is why their already shitty songs sound bland and stale.
Rumor is Metallica just looped Lars's double bass on Dyers Eve because, well, he sucks and couldn't keep it up.

Rumor has it Fleming Rasmussen played the drums on the early recordings altogether!

Motorhead · Post by **Motorhead** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:46 pm

Pfl?yd wrote:
Motorhead wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:
hippy wrote:
Pfl?yd wrote:Yeah, their tunings on a lot of albums are just off from actual pitch. the annoying thing is that tuning even changed from album to album. It makes me wonder if they adjusted the speed of some of their recordings slightly for editing purposes or to help Phil sound in tune.
didn't they admit to recording an entire album by only recording sections that were different and then copy and pasting them?
No, I think they have too much deviation from part to part to really do that. I know for a fact Linkin Park (who barely even qualifies as a band) did their entire second album that way. Which is why their already shitty songs sound bland and stale.
Rumor is Metallica just looped Lars's double bass on Dyers Eve because, well, he sucks and couldn't keep it up.
Rumor has it Fleming Rasmussen played the drums on the early recordings altogether!

I'd believe it. I never understood how Lars went from mediocre drummer who actually tried to change up his fills, to a guy who uses the same goddamn fills on every song. Money made him lazy is my guess.

long4theblur · Post by **long4theblur** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:11 am

Even though I've changed my stance on Death Magnetic, I still hold that the drums on that album are the most boring I've heard out of any band in quite some time. He's doing shit that I would write, and I'm not a drummer.

Gnarkiller · Post by **Gnarkiller** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:27 pm

wtf i always thought it was 1/4 step down from pitch. so just set yir hz to 420 and get hella blazed

Motorhead · Post by **Motorhead** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:09 pm

long4theblur wrote:Even though I've changed my stance on Death Magnetic, I still hold that the drums on that album are the most boring I've heard out of any band in quite some time. He's doing shit that I would write, and I'm not a drummer.

Lars is the only one that doesn't even try anymore.

Mad Muir · Post by **Mad Muir** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:35 pm

Motorhead wrote:
long4theblur wrote:Even though I've changed my stance on Death Magnetic, I still hold that the drums on that album are the most boring I've heard out of any band in quite some time. He's doing shit that I would write, and I'm not a drummer.
Lars is the only one that doesn't even try anymore.

bullshit

hektik · Post by **hektik** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:52 pm

the entire band doesn't try any more.

motorhead, you are so retarded it hurts.

basstard · Post by **basstard** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:27 am

i didnt know..

warhead dime · Post by **warhead dime** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:37 am

PABassPlayer wrote:
hektik wrote:
warhead dime wrote:Pantera tuned everything 90 cents below whatever tuning the song was described in. So on the CFH album for example, which was in mostly in "standard", it was really set 90 cents below that.
I thought it was -40?
inflation, my friend.

Yeah hektik, 40 is probably right.