Panterachat

definitely, and when you hit em right, they seem to sustain for days

If i remember the guys name correctly, Virgil Donati is a pretty damn good. you can probably get a few vids of him on drumworld.com or drummerwold whatever it is

crowbar isnt better then down, but there shit before this last cd was pretty damn good stuff. i wish some of these hardcore kiddies would listen to shit like crowbar to see how you dont have to do that whole whiney ass screaming to make good heavy shit